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i run a chapter master!

BlueDagger wrote:Can't DS Ariman doesn't have the ability to, there is plenty of AP2 or better pie plates out there, and yes 2D6 take the highest is still better, but still slow as hill. Also, indeed oblits can't ride in a transport.

Too many eggs in one basket points wise. 3 Prisms would make short work of the unit.

Typhus/Abbadon is when you want to deep strike the lot

Ahriman/Abbadon is when you stick ahriman in a LR, rush him up the gut, use his built-in-beacon to guide Abbadon/Oblits and join them in the same movement phase.

Either way, as mentioned, not many ap2 pie plates, I would eat your 3 prisms alive with this combo on a BAD day, now, had you spent those three HS options on Scatter laser War-Walkers, I would be far more afriad (due to the sheer volume of fire/2+ to wound) Also, one huge benefit (I have seen anyway) is that when 1 of your oblits dies (with th Typhus combo) you have just become "Majority Toughness 5" which can be a major pain in the ass to some "high-volume" players.

Typhus
225+275+225 = 725 points for 14 wounds of 2+ saves, 4 of them are EW, 4 of them have Feel-no-pain all of them are either Str 8 in melee, or wound on a 4+, 8 of the wounds are t5, 6 of the wounds have almost every ranged weapon in the dex, the other 8 wounds not only have formidable shooting, but GODLY melee abilities (with a potential 40 attacks on the charge, 10 of which, can individually be used as Psychic attacks) AND defensive grenades! Deep-striking death!

vs the 600 Points that 3 termi squads (or 2 with 1 re-inforced) would cost you for significantly less power.

Ahriman
225+275+250(+240 for the LR if you go this route, I sometimes just have him 'Hijack' a rhino) = 750 points For a VERY decent versatile unit. (3 GoC removal casts per turn, or 2 casts and a warptime, guided Deepstrike capabilities, 4+s when you need them 2+s when you don't, not as nice as the Typhus combo, but still deadly in its own light)

CSM get their punch from their HQs, most people don't realize that the one thing that makes Oblits more of a consideration then Defilers (and rarely at that... Defilers are broken as hell) is the fact that you can stick the overpowered HQs to them.

nirvana69 wrote:would it be possible to have one independant character join up with another? and if so, coud multiple charachters do it to form a "super retinue"?

The 5e rulebook itself suggests doing this, but IMHO, its a pretty bad idea. If you must use more than 1 IC, spread them throughout your army.

i guess it all depends on how the player wants there army to funtion.

Yeah, I more the hope to come across that combo at a tourney it'd be worth it just to drop 3 s9 ap2 templates and fire dragons on the unit's head and watch the other player cry as like 35+% of his point total vanishes

Haha, id soften em up with an orbital bombardment then send a round of bolter fire there way. the "one hitter quitter" lol

I like the idea of Lysander and Marneus Calgar doing a buddy comedy on some poor fools.

i thought Calgar and Shrike would be pretty sick to throw in there together