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why would the blood angels charge you, Monster? they're carrying meltaguns (or should be) and the dread will whip their in close combat.

Look at it this way monster.... with the points you save keeping frag launchers off your dreads you can buy.... almost.... a power fist
AF

AbaddonFidelis wrote:why would the blood angels charge you, Monster? they're carrying meltaguns (or should be) and the dread will whip their in close combat.

Look at it this way monster.... with the points you save keeping frag launchers off your dreads you can buy.... almost.... a power fist
AF

They'd charge you if they miss or roll a 1 on the damage table.

i c

Monster Rain wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:why would the blood angels charge you, Monster? they're carrying meltaguns (or should be) and the dread will whip their in close combat.

Look at it this way monster.... with the points you save keeping frag launchers off your dreads you can buy.... almost.... a power fist
AF

They'd charge you if they miss or roll a 1 on the damage table.

QFT. I've charged Dreads with my Tac Marines after the meltagun got a Weapon Destroyed result. A lot of times its better to take the DCCW and charge in to tie them up than to give them a free round of shooting and the charge. It works alot better against normal Dreads with AV 12 and only one DCCW where the Krak Grenades can alter the equation too. Blood Angels with a Sanguinary Priest around also work pretty good against Iron Clads, as the FC gives them an ~16.33% chance of destroying an IC outright. The addition of assault launchers drops the chance of destruction down to ~5.5% with the loss of an attack and the drop from S9 to S8.

agree it's better to charge than to be charged but you're still asking for it...


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I'm content with a 16% chance of losing the dread if I'm in close combat with their guys. It's already small enough that to turn it into a 5% isn't that big a deal to me... not for 15 points anyway.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:agree it's better to charge than to be charged but you're still asking for it...


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I'm content with a 16% chance of losing the dread if I'm in close combat with their guys. It's already small enough that to turn it into a 5% isn't that big a deal to me... not for 15 points anyway.

My previous rant was to establish that an IC doesn't need offensive grenades.

Defensive grenades are useful to an IC, but not worth 15 points. 1 attack is not worth 15 points, and there is an unclear ongoing debate if defensive grenades negate FC. As far as defensive grenades and FC goes there is your interpretation of the rules, the correct interpretation of the rules which may or may not be your interpretation, and what the judges in a tournament decide which could be anything. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong about a rules argument, all that matters is what the TO decides and half the TO's out there can be replaced with a magic 8 ball for the same effect.

The bottom line is this, even if the IC gets charged by FC powerfists/klaw all defensive grenades do is decreasing the chance of the IC sploding from 16% to 5%. That's 11% more protection in that specific situation for a 10.3% increase in the dread's cost (if it already had a HF). That doesn't sound that bad, 11% more protection for 10% more cost would be good if that 11% more protect extended to all situations including melta guns, which it doesn't. For every 1 time an IC is killed because it lacked defensive grenades how many IC have been slagged by melta guns? Increasing the cost of an IC by 10% by buying defensive grenades is like a 600 pound man who lives in Colorado who has a triglycerides level that matches his weight and a LDL cholesterol level that's half his weight deciding what he needs to do is spent 10% of his income on shark attack insurance. It's overspending for an unlikely situation while completely ignoring the elephant in the room.

Schaden
I agree it's a bad buy.