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DarknessEternal wrote:
Right, as a weapon. You don't start following the orders of your car just because it's useful at getting you places.

Perfect analogy. I was going to suggest that it would be akin to a North Korean soldier defecting to an ant colony, but I like yours better. Whatever these strange individuals the OP has concocted are, they're not Eldar.

I personally can see Eldar auxilliaries in game terms only. They would perhaps reflect assistance given to the Tau in their fight against other races.

Serving as auxilliaries under the auspices of the Tau governmental system I think is too great a stretch. The Eldar being included in a Tau army of expansion for the sake of the Tau? I personally don't think so.

The Eldar on their Craftworlds and the Exodites might assist in the form of a temporary alliance. The former want their Empire back and the latter would more or less want to be left to their own devices.

They might be a dying race since they don't dominate the galaxy as they once did, but they are still far superior to the Tau and most other civilizations technologically and probably outnumber the Tau as well.

Ok, there is so much wrong in this I don't even know where to being.

I'll start by talking about things others have said.

Kroothawk wrote:Why should a millenia old highly developed and slightly arrogant race able to defend itself be working as auxiliaries with lend weapons for a new youngling race? It's like US Stealth Bomber pilots grabbing a spear and begging the Massai to fight for them. Doesn't make sense to me.

Pretty much spot on here.

Azezel wrote:Eldar don't work for Tau, Tau work for Eldar.

The Eldar seers guided the Tau race, shaped it into what it is now. Fatalistic, immune to chaos, perfectly tractable. That's how the Tau progressed from pointy sticks to starships in 5'000 years.

And the reason is so that Eldar wouldn't have to fight, that's what Tau are for.

This is only speculation. It's not confirmed. Some thing that farseers created Ethereals.

grob the immortal grot wrote:Although 99.99% of eldar are arrogant, a very small percentage of the population an see their rae is on the road to ruin. Maybe these guys see this and the fact that for any chanceofsurvival they need the tau. Besides, why would the seers guide them to where they are now without a reason?

They're called rangers, and they're still mostly loyal to their craftworld, especially Alaitoc.

rabidaskal wrote:You could also argue that (if) the Eldar did indeed help the tau along in their evolution, it likely is a secret. I can't imaging your average joe guardian knowing about it, probably only the farseers, autarchs and exarchs do. Hence these 'young' eldar probably wouldn't know anything.

Guardians are not soldiers. Guardians follow civilian paths like the path of the artist and such like that. They're not the near mindless drones that imp guard are. They don't normally want to fight. They do so to defend their craftworld. They would not want to fight with Tau beacuse they don't want to fight.

Lexx wrote:You could always say they are from a far flung maiden world that the tau have absorbed into the empire. Along with the resident eldar. This could give you scope to be an infiltration unit or some other role. since they will be less advanced or educated as craftworld eldar. and less specialized. Maybe as a psychic close combat squad? . Decked out in tau made gear and psuedo tribal wargear from their maiden world.

This is just so wrong. Exodites are not backwards people. They are eldar that left before the fall. They know, have, and understand technology just as much as Craftworld Eldar do, they just choose to live differently. They're basically Amish Eldar.

My 2 cents:

Eldar are dying because of the Fall and because of the inability to make enough babies. They are not dying because they don't have the tech/support/desire to survive. Pirates will be pirates, but even they will never join someone else and follow their orders. It all boils down to the fact that Eldar... all of them see themselves as better than the other races. Even rangers who follow the outcast way, still see themselves as Eldar. They're not going to go get hitched with the next big thing like some fan boy. Eldar joining and working for Tau is just as likely to happen as a Space Marine joining the nids. Now, that's not saying that Eldar won't work WITH Tau. They'll use and abouse tau just like any other race. That's what they do. They plot and scheme and manouver other races to do their bidding without the other races even knowing about it most of the time.

It's a neat idea, but it would never actually happen. Ever.


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Uhlan wrote:

They might be a dying race since they don't dominate the galaxy as they once did, but they are still far superior to the Tau and most other civilizations technologically and probably outnumber the Tau as well.

There's actually a thread on this from a couple weeks back. Eldar are dying, they're not small. They are less than they used to be, but still greater than most other races, ESPECIALLY the Tau. They tau hold only a fraction of the planets eldar do even now.

Sothas wrote:This is just so wrong. Exodites are not backwards people. They are eldar that left before the fall. They know, have, and understand technology just as much as Craftworld Eldar do, they just choose to live differently. They're basically Amish Eldar.

And just to clarify, "Amish Eldar" (which I agree with) doesn't mean "horse and buggy Eldar". It means that they've greatly limited the aid that their technology gives them. But keep in mind that these "Amish Eldar" are still advanced enough to build and maintain miniature one-eldar titans (i.e. Knights). They don't use all of the technology that the other eldar factions do, but their technological level probably still greatly outstrips that of the Tau.

Eumerin wrote:

Sothas wrote:This is just so wrong. Exodites are not backwards people. They are eldar that left before the fall. They know, have, and understand technology just as much as Craftworld Eldar do, they just choose to live differently. They're basically Amish Eldar.

And just to clarify, "Amish Eldar" (which I agree with) doesn't mean "horse and buggy Eldar". It means that they've greatly limited the aid that their technology gives them. But keep in mind that these "Amish Eldar" are still advanced enough to build and maintain miniature one-eldar titans (i.e. Knights). They don't use all of the technology that the other eldar factions do, but their technological level probably still greatly outstrips that of the Tau.

yup, and the amish still use technology too. A hoe, horse and buggy, the methods they use to plow, all of these are examples of advancements in technology. Advances that are greater than some people that live even today. Exodites are not pushovers. They're still advanced eldar (i.e. arn't going to work with tau either)

For pure technology, Tau are superior to Eldar.


For Psyker Tech and Travel methods, Eldar pull ahead, waaaay ahead. They have amazing things like Wraithbone that Tau can never make. But don't assume they laugh at Tau technology. The Dark Eldar were quite taken by the Tau technology when they helped them fight the Tyranids. To see such a young race race master the art of plasma technology for example, that is a feat not even humans have fully achieved.

While the Eldar are the wiser race, they are also arrogant to a fault. The Eldar would rather die out then help the Tau. To them, the best the Tau can possibly offer is a tool to serve a purpose for helping them. For the Dark Eldar it was a bunch of slaves. Ironically, the Tau would kill for a chance to get a race like the Eldar in their alliance.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:For pure technology, Tau are superior to Eldar.


For Psyker Tech and Travel methods, Eldar pull ahead, waaaay ahead. They have amazing things like Wraithbone that Tau can never make. But don't assume they laugh at Tau technology. The Dark Eldar were quite taken by the Tau technology when they helped them fight the Tyranids. To see such a young race race master the art of plasma technology for example, that is a feat not even humans have fully achieved.

While the Eldar are the wiser race, they are also arrogant to a fault. The Eldar would rather die out then help the Tau. To them, the best the Tau can possibly offer is a tool to serve a purpose for helping them. For the Dark Eldar it was a bunch of slaves. Ironically, the Tau would kill for a chance to get a race like the Eldar in their alliance.

I don't understand, this entire thing seems to contradict its self. Explain to me why "pure tech" and "psyker tech and travel methods" are different. You wouldn't call a toaster something other than technology would you? Eldar tech is FAR superior to tau. Not discounting tau tech at all, for a young race they're advanced... for a young race. Eldar tech still vastly out matches tau in every possible way.

Tau have skimmers.
Eldar have fast skimmers with shields.

Tau have railguns.
Eldar have D-Cannons and lance weapons.

Tau have sniper rifles.
Eldar have pathfinder rifles.

The list goes on.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:For pure technology, Tau are superior to Eldar.

For any technology, Tau are inferior to the Imperium.

For Psyker Tech and Travel methods, Eldar pull ahead, waaaay ahead.

Technically, the travel method tech might actually go to the Tau, since Eldar just use the webway, which existed long before they did.

The Dark Eldar were quite taken by the Tau technology when they helped them fight the Tyranids. To see such a young race race master the art of plasma technology for example, that is a feat not even humans have fully achieved.

No, they weren't. The Tau were impressed by the Haemonculi atrocities, in between fits of vomiting at their obscenity.

While the Eldar are the wiser race, they are also arrogant to a fault. The Eldar would rather die out then help the Tau.

Eldar are only "dying out" in the sense that, by M61 or so, if nothing changes, they might have dwindled to the population level the Tau currently have.

Sothas wrote:Not discounting tau tech at all, for a young race they're advanced... for a young race. Eldar tech still vastly out matches tau in every possible way.

They're actually quite primitive for what they're supposed to have accomplished. Five thousand years ago humanity was almost entirely hunter-gatherer or horticulturalist, even three thousand years ago most humans would have still considered "sticks with some grass on top" as cutting edge shelter technology, and within a century (in the past century we've accomplished more than the entirety of prior human history, and within half a century we'll have repeated that feat at least once over) we'll have technology that makes the Tau's look primitive by comparison.

If you somehow think that eldar would ever submit themselves to any race, especially TAU , you lack the ability to make logical thought.

No, Having Eldar Auxillaries in any sense or form is a joke. Dark Eldar and Pathfinder mercenaries sure why not. Auxillaries HA!


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:For pure technology, Tau are superior to Eldar.

Yea thats a negative ghostrider.


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Uhlan wrote:I personally can see Eldar auxilliaries in game terms only. They would perhaps reflect assistance given to the Tau in their fight against other races.

Serving as auxilliaries under the auspices of the Tau governmental system I think is too great a stretch. The Eldar being included in a Tau army of expansion for the sake of the Tau? I personally don't think so.

The Eldar on their Craftworlds and the Exodites might assist in the form of a temporary alliance. The former want their Empire back and the latter would more or less want to be left to their own devices.

They might be a dying race since they don't dominate the galaxy as they once did, but they are still far superior to the Tau and most other civilizations technologically and probably outnumber the Tau as well.

Correct, this actually follows warhammer 40k fluff.

Rozarius wrote:I agree also there is a quote by a farseer that the tau are the path of the future and his greatest hope I.saw it in the eldar wika I thought it was neat now I just need to figure out how to get a baby space marine chapter to help out as heavies and i can field the master tau army bawhahahahaa.

Get some devastators just for better AP lol


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Kunas'la, it sounds brilliant and i am with you all the way

FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!!!!!

Saying the Eldar tech is better only because of Psykers/warp tech is like saying we only have better tech than we did in medieval times because of electricity.

ph34r wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Not in a million, billion years. Or, given they've been alive that long and to put in some hyperbole, not in trillions of years.

Think of the most arrogant person you know. That guy is a doormat compared to the most humble Eldar.

Eldar are not submissive to other races: Ever.

Unless, you know, the Eldar

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engineered the Ethereals to lead the Tau as a force against Chaos

Well i wouldn't be suprised if the Eldar

Tau have skimmers. (With better armor and disruption pods and BS upgrades)

Eldar have fast Skimmers with shields. (With worse armor, shields, and no BS upgrades)

Tau have railguns. (That have insane range, devastating damage and the higherst armor pen out there)

Eldar have D-Cannons and lance weapons. (which have limited range and limited effect against certain targets)

Tau have sniper rifles. (Rail Rifles that penetrate Space Marine power armor)

Eldar have pathfinder rifles. (Great Rifles that do not penetrate even bad armor)

Eldar have sweet tech to be sure, but Tau have the weaponry game locked down pretty hard. As for the remark made about Imperium technology... lol. The IoM uses reversed engineered second hand Necron tech provided by the Dragon C'tan on Mars. They have little understanding of the technology and are plagued by ritual so they rarely advance any technology. Lasguns, Lascannons, Bolters, Plasma etc are all bad versions of Tau and Eldar weapons.



EDIT: To clarify on Eldar psi-tech. They use psi-tech in most of their weapons and technology in general, this gives them an edge in guiding their weapons in many cases or making them more potent, if a Tau picked up many Eldar weapons he might not even be able to use them as Tau are for the most part almost total psi-blanks.

Psi = Psychic, like wraithbone for example.

Game rules =/= Fluff.

Why are people so opposed to this idea? Exodites are not arrogant, they live out their lives free of the worries Craftworlders have. If the Tau somehow stumbled on an Exodite World, the Eldar may well think that they could join the Tau in a limited sense. Maybe the Exodites could send out some warriors as some sort of 'rite of passage'. This doesn't mean the Eldar would be 'subservient' to the Tau's ideals, but just joining in some form of mutual cooperation, the Exodites are protected, the Tau are let in on some Eldar knowledge.

On the levels of tech. Just because some race has weaponry with fancy words like 'plasma, fusion.....' doesn't mean that their tech is extremely advanced or powerful. Just becasue some wierd box has a name like Plasmatic fusion rail-kinetic ion beam emitter doesn't mean it will have any more power or usefulness than a bolt pistol.

You all do realise how old this thread is right? I mean how far back did you have to go to find this? And just be skimming some of the new responses I think there are a few people who need to go back a re-read some of the fluff about Eldar.

Ive thought about this quite a few times. First off I like the idea, Tau are all about adding more races to their Empire, and while I don't see the Eldar totally submitting to the Tau, I could see them forming alot of alliances. Eldar like to manipulate other races to do their bidding so as far as the Eldar are concerned having the Tau do some fighting for them means a few less of their slowly dying race hitting the battlefield.

iproxtaco wrote:Why are people so opposed to this idea? Exodites are not arrogant, they live out their lives free of the worries Craftworlders have. If the Tau somehow stumbled on an Exodite World, the Eldar may well think that they could join the Tau in a limited sense. Maybe the Exodites could send out some warriors as some sort of 'rite of passage'. This doesn't mean the Eldar would be 'subservient' to the Tau's ideals, but just joining in some form of mutual cooperation, the Exodites are protected, the Tau are let in on some Eldar knowledge.

Three things.

First, the Exodites don't "live out their lives free of the worries Craftworlders have." The Exodites have the same worry (i.e. Slaanesh devouring their soul when they die) but deal with it in a different fashion. The Exodites use World Spirits as their substitute for Infinity Circuits, and hard work and labor instead of the Path system.

Second, the Tau wouldn't settle for "mutual cooperation". The Tau view is that anyone who doesn't accept the Greater Good as defined by the Tau is misguided and needs to be educated until they understand how great the Tau philosophy is.

Third, giving the Tau access (even limited) to Eldar technology probably either won't work, or is a disaster waiting to happen. There are two reasons for this. The first is that the Tau are a psychically insensitive race. Much of the Eldar equipment relies on subtle psychic impulses from the user in order to function properly, meaning that the Tau simply don't have the capability to use much of the Eldar technology. Additionally, much of the Eldar technology is extremely dangerous. We're talking about equipment that does things such as open dimensional rifts and similar stuff. The Tau are rather naive and don't fully grasp the true nature of much of the universe. Giving the Tau a jump start on the path to developing Eldar technology on their own is like teaching a three year old how to use a blow torch.

Chamleoneyes wrote:Ive thought about this quite a few times. First off I like the idea, Tau are all about adding more races to their Empire, and while I don't see the Eldar totally submitting to the Tau, I could see them forming alot of alliances. Eldar like to manipulate other races to do their bidding so as far as the Eldar are concerned having the Tau do some fighting for them means a few less of their slowly dying race hitting the battlefield.

yes i am sure the elder would enjoy not taking the enemy head on.

Hey Have you figured out what name you are giving them?