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xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:I don't think Eldar need a new codex AS BAD as say daemon hunters, de, or necrons. But eldar do need it more then say, CSM=whiners.

I'd like a new book, of course, even though I'm new, I see irregularities with the current dex and the 5th edition. But a couple of rule tweaks(with White Dwarf) would be enough to fix the most obvious ones. I'm not saying we MUST get a new dex asap, I just said that it wouldn't be foolish to hope for one within a year or two, that's all.

Araenion wrote:Haha, a list with Harlies, Eldrad and Maugan Ra...gosh...
And don't C'tan ignore any save, even invulnerable ones? Or is that just Nightbringer with his war scythe...I haven't seen a Deceiver yet.

All c'tan ignore all saves.... So by by eldrad... Except if you manage to kill him before his initiative (but i don't think so).... Just for the record

wuestenfux wrote:Harlies not foot are vulnerable when they approach the enemy.
Here one can use skimmers or jetbikes and throw them in front of them.
This will give them a 4+ cover save and with fortune, they should survive incoming fire, if any

I don't understand what you mean here...you said they don't belong in a mech list, but that you can use skimmers and bikes to give them cover...

So do I, though Eldar are low on the food chain for updates.

Mostly I was whining about people wanting a new CSM dex. At least it was made with 5th in mind.

Not a fan of the Death Jester. The model looks cool, but having a long range specialist in a fragile foot-slogging assault unit with fleet seems counter-productive.

Eldar needs a new codex, too.
Three issues are 1) skimmer nerfing, 2) low toughness of scoring units, and 3) variable game length.

Harlies are overpriced as they were designed for the 4th ed and in the 5th ed, rending got nerfed.

I think he's more psychological warfare then anything.

Pinning, while not reliable is just really annoying, and that you can't see him makes most people go out of their way to silence them.

wuestenfux wrote:Eldar needs a new codex, too.
Three issues are 1) skimmer nerfing, 2) low toughness of scoring units, and 3) variable game length.

Harlies are overpriced as they were designed for the 4th ed and in the 5th ed, rending got nerfed.

I really want to be able to take Wraithlords in squads. 3 of em with just a Wraithsword and two flamers would be buckets of fun.

I don't see problem with t3 of troops.... What do you want it to be? Half-elves... Or better to say Half Eldar-Marines (WS:4 BS:4 S:4 T:4 I:5 A:1 Sv:3+ with fleet) Or perhaps a bit mix of orks for extra attack and furious charge

On second thought i could make one model like that
Space marine body, eldar head and ork arms

Well, there is a corresponding thread in the board 'Proposed Rules'.

I'd like to see a playable Harlie faction, eventually similar to the old experimental Harlie codex of Gav Thorpe.

The two easiest ways I see to mech up harlies since they don't get a dedicated transport are to either

a) take a small squad all armed with kisses, and put them in a falcon.

b) Take a dedicated transport for outflanking scorpions, decline to put the scorpions in the transport and put the harlies there instead on turn one.

Thing is, option b) takes up 2 elite slots, which leaves only one left for a dragon squad, and because of the shadow seer, any other unit that can take a serpent needs it more then the harlies on account of being so fragile.

The problem with option a) of course, is that falcons make terrible transports, they are built to be gunships these days, and perform mediocre at any other role.

I will agree though, harlies are excellent additions to wraithhost armies.

I will agree though, harlies are excellent additions to wraithhost armies.

A basic question is how to deploy the Harlie in an advancing Iyanden army.
I'll play such a list soon, but now I'm waiting for a few Wraithguard to arrive from eBay.

The term Eldarzilla would get a whole new meaning...

And Wuestenfux...I don't know about skimmers being weak...as a newcomer to the 40k, I find them quite strong actually. So I think at least a part of the problem lies in them being nerfed from OTT to average.

As far as toughness, well, only Guardians(which are completely undefined atm) and Avengers actually have low T. Bikes have 4 and Wraithguard have a whooping 6. So I don't think Eldar have much problem there.

About the game length, that's true, but I like that there's uncertainty involved, and I'm sure that with the next Eldar dex, they'll adress this apparent weakness of the Eldar.

I think guardians need a bump. I know it's been beaten to death, but still. The only thing they do better then a guardsmen is their higher I. And you expect me to pay 3 more pts for that?

Well, skimmers are overpriced as in 5th ed GW changed the way of shooting fast skimmers.
In 4th ed, a fast skimmer moving 12'' was only able to get glancing hits via shooting.
Moreover, a Falcon was able to shoot all its weapons after moving 12''.
These days are gone.

I have some of the old Harlequins, ones armed with PFs!
Soon they will be tearing it up in place of my Banshee squad.
One problem is they really require some good talent to paint well.

wuestenfux wrote:

I will agree though, harlies are excellent additions to wraithhost armies.

A basic question is how to deploy the Harlie in an advancing Iyanden army.
I'll play such a list soon, but now I'm waiting for a few Wraithguard to arrive from eBay.

I deploy them as my leading edge. They go up front of my Wraithguard (and in the future I'm thinking of adding a foot council) and give my valuable scoring Wraithguard and guardians a cover save whilst being immune to shooting until I'm nice and close, which is when I do my damage. I deploy everything in single file lines like this:

-------Harlies----Avatar
------Wraithguard-----
-----Guardians--------

Wraithlords on the flanks. Mine have Bright Lances and Missile Launchers to try and keep any battle/demolisher/earthshaker cannons silenced until I can get close.
Make sure to use running to space the Harlequin's from the Wraithguard or else the Wraithguard can be targeted with blast weapons and still hit the Harlequin's. I like to put Eldrad with them, because his is thusly protecting from shooting by the Veil of Tears. When it comes time to assault, I drop him back into the Wraithguard and in we go.

I've only played two games with this list (both wins), and in my very first one I tabled my IG opponent.

I found that the old Harlies are easier to paint than the new ones.
Undercoat: white and then bleached bone.
Then bright (complementary) colors for legs, arms, chest, and whatnot.

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:I think guardians need a bump. I know it's been beaten to death, but still. The only thing they do better then a guardsmen is their higher I. And you expect me to pay 3 more pts for that?

Guardians aren't that bad. Shuricats are much better than lasguns. The 24" in range only comes into play when they stand still, and who is afraid of 10 lasgun shots? The Weapon platforms are great. They are heavy weapons that can be fired on the move, and I always take a Spiritseer/Warlock with Destructor(Heavy Flamers). I'd give them a 5/10, which means they're not for everybody, and really only work well in certain lists (Iyanden footdar).

All they really need is a 4+ save and maybe 18" shuricats. Maybe.

And the ability to use more than one heavy weapon platform. At most 4 shots with BS3 in a squad that is few and weak...dunno. Possibly go the SM way...you have to take one and you can take another if you field 10 Guardians. Tbh, I'd rather they stay with 8 points/model and up their efficiency than lower their point cost.