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WRONG!

I want the electorate to take control back.

BTW, since age seems to be an issue, I'm 30.

Mr Mystery wrote:WRONG!

I want the electorate to take control back.

Yes, you want the electorate to do what you want, and not what they want. It doesn't matter if that involves taking more control of the state, its still what you want.

Mr Mystery wrote:
BTW, since age seems to be an issue, I'm 30.

No, age isn't an issue at all. I made the argument that you are making now when I was 19.

And you used it in a demeaning way.

I do not want the electorate to agree with my specifics, just to stand up and be counted for whatever they believe in. The silent majority/minority days should end, and they allow a pathetic status quo to rein, one where once elected, MPs can essentially do whatever they want for 4 years, without fear of being voted out. This. Is Wrong. Do you not agree?

Mr Mystery wrote:And you used it in a demeaning way.

I didn't intend to, but I do feel that your position is simplistic.

Mr Mystery wrote:
I do not want the electorate to agree with my specifics, just to stand up and be counted for whatever they believe in. The silent majority/minority days should end, and they allow a pathetic status quo to rein, one where once elected,

Indifference is created by a certain set of beliefs, and by being indifferent people are acting in accordance with their beliefs. Again, you want people to do what you want them to do.

Mr Mystery wrote:
MPs can essentially do whatever they want for 4 years, without fear of being voted out. This. Is Wrong. Do you not agree?

No. Representative democracy is what it is because it assumes that the mob is dumb, I agree with this assumption.

Mr Mystery wrote:In Britain, we have the right to chuck out an incumbent Government. We can all abstain from voting, preventing a new Government forming. There are innumerable ways we can make our presence and collective will felt (if indeed it is a collective will, therein lying the problem).

Cool, do that then. I'll do it too.

Nothing personal skip, but it's people like you and Alba who merely shrug and accept the unacceptable that allow it to perpetuate. Make a damned stand.

Baaa! Yes that's right, I'm just a sheep. Just kidding, actually I'm a shivering peasant living in the fearful shadow of the castle on the hill.



Seriously, this sort of sanctimony is just evidence that you're a naive idealist. Idealism is fine, but don't let it hamstring you. Pragmatism is always the more prudent course of action - change with the facts. What you want is for me to agree that our politicians should be held to superhuman standards of morality and a completely arbitrary code of conduct which you have concocted in your own mind. Well, I'm not going to do that, reason being that I live in the real world. Politics is a dirty business right across the board - it has to be. To gain advantage over an adversary, one must sometimes bend (if not break) the rules. These people aren't dealing in immutable absolute truths, they are human beings seeking to prevail over one another. Of course, I have lines over which I don't think our elected officials should cross, but I recognise that these lines are completely arbitrary and I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

I gather you're a military man? How does it sit with you that your brothers in arms are being sent to their deaths for purely political reasons, rather than the betterment of mankind?

It's emotional appeals like this that make people believe that you are younger than your 30 years, mate.

And you're right in one regard, it's not so bad. But it sure ain't right. I do count myself very lucky to live in Britain, a very stable prosperous nation, but that is no reason to accept any flaw. I would make Britain better with this.

And the BNP would 'make Britain better' by offering non-white immigrants the opportunity to 'go home'. And they REALLY believe it! TAKE A STAND MAN!



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dogma wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:And you used it in a demeaning way.

I didn't intend to, but I do feel that your position is simplistic.

To be fair, he can't really complain - he's already flat out called you a 'cretain' (which I can only assume means 'cretin') and 'thick'. That's a little bit worse than assuming someone with slightly naive viewpoints is young.