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2010/09/08 05:23:31
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Awesome Autarch
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Wolves are the top dogs right now, IMO (pun intended, da dun cha!).
BA are good, but I have yet to play a build that really scares me. There may be a killer list in there, but the advantages wolves get give them the edge.
Vanilla marines are still a great dex, but Wolves take the cake. A good wolf list shoot IG off the board and assaults well to boot.
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2010/09/08 05:40:41
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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24 Scoring units
Kantor: Makes Sternguard Scoring, Break into Combat Squads
x3 Sternguard = 6 Combat Squads = 6 Scoring Units
x6 Tactical Squads = 12 Combat Squads = 12 Scoring Units
Khan or Biker Capitan
x3 Bike Squads = 6 Combat Squads = 6 Scoring Units
6+12+6= 24
I know I am talking Apoc levels, but it is possible.
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2010/09/08 12:40:12
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Bikers become troops, it's the same deal as the wolfguards
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2010/09/08 13:18:17
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Andy Chambers
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Anpu42 wrote:24 Scoring units
Kantor: Makes Sternguard Scoring, Break into Combat Squads
x3 Sternguard = 6 Combat Squads = 6 Scoring Units
x6 Tactical Squads = 12 Combat Squads = 12 Scoring Units
Khan or Biker Capitan
x3 Bike Squads = 6 Combat Squads = 6 Scoring Units
6+12+6= 24
I know I am talking Apoc levels, but it is possible.
But if bikes are taken as troops they take up troops slots. But still, youll never need 24 scoring units 
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"Dire Avengers are even great in close combat, I mean, an Exarch with a Diresword can even take down a Carnifex!!" 
EUROCHEESE - You can smell it.
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2010/09/08 14:02:08
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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The Key word is MAY
Bike may be taken as troops, not become troops
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2010/09/08 14:09:31
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Andy Chambers
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But if you choose to take them as troops they take up troops slots as the choice is made during army selection...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/09/08 14:10:04
"Dire Avengers are even great in close combat, I mean, an Exarch with a Diresword can even take down a Carnifex!!"
EUROCHEESE - You can smell it.
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2010/09/08 14:16:58
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Yeah, you can choose to take them as troops, but it's then AND ONLY THEN that they score. 
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2010/09/08 14:36:12
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Oscarius wrote:Yeah, you can choose to take them as troops, but it's then AND ONLY THEN that they score.
I am about to say something obscene here and may get me banned for life
You are Correct and I was wrong in my interpretation.
So most Space Marines can have 18 scoring units
Space Wolves can still only get 6.
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2010/09/08 14:42:12
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Sorry, I seldom do these kind of posts (i.e. say the same things as others had said before) and I apologize if I came across as rude.
Anyway, IMO 6 scoring units should be enough, seeing as that is what any non SW-marine or the Imperial Guard has to offer.
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2010/09/08 14:43:22
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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Bikers. Vanilla can do bikers & do them well.
TFC as well. I know many people dislike it but if it fires is usually makes back its points.
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2010/09/08 14:50:29
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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The only reason I don't like the TFC is I don't own one yet, but the day I do 
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2010/09/08 15:37:08
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Andy Chambers
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If I want to be picky, Space wolves can do bikers too though not nearly as well as vanilla marines
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"Dire Avengers are even great in close combat, I mean, an Exarch with a Diresword can even take down a Carnifex!!"
EUROCHEESE - You can smell it.
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2010/09/08 18:37:42
Subject: Re:BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Anpu42 wrote:The only reason I don't like the TFC is I don't own one yet, but the day I do
The best reason to not like the TFC is that it's pathetically easy to kill, even in a bolstered ruin.
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2010/09/08 18:54:27
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I am also not a big fan of TFC, so I really wouldn't count that into the 'But we have the TFC!'. Too easy for 95% of lists to neutralize.
But Combat Tactics...that's just win. I fear that more than anything SW or BA can bring to the table against my Eldar.
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2010/09/09 03:19:01
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Farseer Faenyin wrote:But Combat Tactics...that's just win. I fear that more than anything SW or BA can bring to the table against my Eldar.
So 15 missile launchers don't scare you? You must not run Mechdar cause most Mechdar are getting shutdown fast with all the cheese SW can throw in a round of shooting
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2010/09/09 03:30:44
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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General_Chaos wrote:Farseer Faenyin wrote:But Combat Tactics...that's just win. I fear that more than anything SW or BA can bring to the table against my Eldar.
So 15 missile launchers don't scare you? You must not run Mechdar cause most Mechdar are getting shutdown fast with all the cheese SW can throw in a round of shooting
A good Marine list can pull off more than 15 Missile Launchers including Tactical/Scout/Sternguard Squads.
Long Fangs also have NO Meat Shields.
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2010/09/09 11:15:42
Subject: BA's or SW's? Are Vanilla Marines dead?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Anpu42 wrote:General_Chaos wrote:Farseer Faenyin wrote:But Combat Tactics...that's just win. I fear that more than anything SW or BA can bring to the table against my Eldar.
So 15 missile launchers don't scare you? You must not run Mechdar cause most Mechdar are getting shutdown fast with all the cheese SW can throw in a round of shooting
A good Marine list can pull off more than 15 Missile Launchers including Tactical/Scout/Sternguard Squads.
Long Fangs also have NO Meat Shields.
Normal marines don't do missile spam very well. The only SM lists that have many ML's are LS typhoon lists, and all marines can do that.
You don't really need meat shields when you are that cheap in the beginning, hence why it is possible for most lists to take 15 ml's.
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