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It is the same reason why we have so many damn:

Forums
Blogs
Websites
Podcasts

Everyone is wanting do something - online ;P

haha

oni wrote:Another great thing about blogs is that the blogger controls how the information is presented. No conforming to a forum layout/structure, the blogger creates his own.

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Brother SRM wrote:Everybody wants to be a unique little snowflake and have a website that reflects that. They think their opinions are so good that they deserve to have their own site. It's basically the same reason anybody else has a blog.

And it's gak like this can be avoided having a blog.

Without meaning to single you out specifically Oni, this is one of the reasons for a blog. Total and utter control in what goes out. Woe betide anyone who disagrees because their comments, irrespective of how useful that post or comment might be, are removed to give the host the illusion of complete agreement from all those who visited.

A blog is a diary. A totalitarian world where the host is the Supreme Commander. The problem comes when people offering only what they think is best and what they think they are contributing is in some way life changing. As some comments on here have shown. X person is soley repsonsible for introducing y to the hobby etc. That is a very arrogant ideaology to have but is fitting with the autocratic state you have created with the blog.

Another side is the amount of hits a blog has. You see people throwing around numbers like dice yet if you forced people to vote before they left the site they might have a different idea about what they contribute. If a site has 10,000 hits and 9500 hate the site and thinks it's tosh those 10,000 hits don't really mean much.

There are advantages, such as consolidation of ideas and sharing those ideas with people but when this becomes one's own world, and woe betide anyone else who has an opinion then it becomes a soapbox website which basically shouts "Look at me, Look at me, I am Great!". And there's loads of them out there!

A forum though is more fair. People are open to ideas, open to discussions, other viwepoints and share their knowledge for the viewer to pick and chose the information and ideas that are presented.

Brother SRM wrote:

RanTheCid wrote:
Thank you Brother SRM for reminding us why some people prefer to blog over the noise of an open forum.

oni wrote:

And it's gak like this can be avoided having a blog.

You guys are too funny You wouldn't happen to have blogs, would you?

Do I blog, take a look at my sig

Its pretty obvious that by posting on Dakka I have no problem with forums, but I've see people who only blog these days because of the combative nature of forums. Forums and blogs: 2 tools for 2 different jobs.

LunaHound wrote:

CptZach wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

CptZach wrote:How is this any different from posting on a forum? I'm so important that people on the internet should listen to what I have to say on this topic!

On a forum like Dakka, you can't post like Stelek does on his blog...

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with people posting in blogs because they want to be listened to vs people posting on forums because they want to be listened too...

Oh right it doesn't, just a random shot at this Stelek fellow, whoever he is.
Someone apparently holds a grudge way too long for no reason...

No i think on a forum , people are free to argue / debate against OP's idea.
On a blog the owner can choose to delete anything unfavorable to themselves .

Once again you are giving reasons how it is different that don't answer the original question.

The want to be listened to is universal and is why some people post on a forum and some people post on a blog.
Its still the want to be heard.


Speaking of which, you don't think a forum can delete your posts?
Oh right, back off topic ripping on some guy who we weren't even talking about...

This is why I prefer reading blogs to forums. Dumb troll posts get quickly deleted and you don't spend 2 pages of posts trying to tell them to get back on topic or leave.

CptZach wrote:
This is why I prefer reading blogs to forums. Dumb troll posts get quickly deleted and you don't spend 2 pages of posts trying to tell them to get back on topic or leave.

True. Unfortunately, "Dumb troll posts" are in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure I could find at least 5 people who find that your posts in this thread are "dumb troll posts", just as I'm sure you would try to argue that yours are perfectly legit, while someone else's are the trolll.

The theory behind why forum posts are less likely to get deleted is that you have more than one person moderating a forum (hopefully), thus there is some oversight and chance to catch abuse. When it's your sandbox or the road, like a blog, there's no incentive to not delete posts other than alienating your readers, however, since you don't care about the ones who aren't willing to parrot your talking points (this is frighteningly similar to politics and the "real media", btw), you don't really have to hesitate before deleting.

And the reason why Stelek was mentioned was because his "blog" is sort of a stellar and well-known example of what most people consider what's bad about blogging. Deleted comments, rampant egotism, ads... the list could go on. Trust me, you don't need to worry about carrying a torch for him. He has enough blind followers already to need you also, unless you are one of them, being disingenuous about never having heard of him.


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Matter of fact, all JHDD even said to begin with about Stelek was that you can't post on a forum like he does in a blog. That could mean anything. JHDD could have meant that he posts really really (novel length) long posts dissecting the game in an informative way that was inappropriate for a forum setting. He could have meant that, while not necessarily a bad thing or a "shot" at him, Stelek might be subject to excessive profanity that would violate forum guidelines. Do you always jump to a defensive side of someone offhandedly mentioned in a discussion?

This is a weird conversation. People like expressing their opinions. Some people feel that their opinions are even more legitimate if they appear on a blog entitled My Opinions. Some blogs are actually very entertaining. Like anything else on the internet you need to be vigorously filtering content to get to the good stuff.

Also, what's the deal with airline peanuts?

daedalus wrote:
And the reason why Stelek was mentioned was because his "blog" is sort of a stellar and well-known example of what most people consider what's bad about blogging. Deleted comments, rampant egotism, ads... the list could go on. Trust me, you don't need to worry about carrying a torch for him. He has enough blind followers already to need you also, unless you are one of them, being disingenuous about never having heard of him.

How am I carrying a torch for this stelek fellow, whoever he is, when i solely told people to get back on topic?

Were my followup posts semi troll? Sure. Which is my problem with forums, all it takes is one troll and a thread can die like that.


Also, are you saying there is not rampant egotism and ads on dakka?


My personal opinion? Some people like talking on a smaller medium. Blogs let you do that. They let you cover 1 or 2 topics a day and not have 500 posts where everyone is trying to shout their opinions out as in a lot of forums.

Also, some people like speaking their minds and trying to improve this hobby.

Ask yourself this, why do people hold 40k conventions? Most of them end up losing money so it can't be for the financial gain.

daedalus wrote:
Matter of fact, all JHDD even said to begin with about Stelek was that you can't post on a forum like he does in a blog. That could mean anything. JHDD could have meant that he posts really really (novel length) long posts dissecting the game in an informative way that was inappropriate for a forum setting. He could have meant that, while not necessarily a bad thing or a "shot" at him, Stelek might be subject to excessive profanity that would violate forum guidelines. Do you always jump to a defensive side of someone offhandedly mentioned in a discussion?

Oh, he is. That's what I thought JHDD was talking about too...

The thing with forums is interesting comments can get lost in a sea of worthless ones. For example I don't think many have read this entire replies, and tactica articles don't get read properly.

Blogs give a person to have a voice and talk about what they want, which is true. Sure they can edit comments (I don't) but can't a mod or admin on a forum?

On my blog I'll do lists for people who want them, like on here, and I'll post about what I like, which I sometimes share on here. If people come to my blog giving good suggestions I'll listen.

The thing with blogs it just gives someone a bit of a stage.

Speaking of blogs, shameless pimp www.imperiusdominatus.com

CptZach wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

CptZach wrote:How is this any different from posting on a forum? I'm so important that people on the internet should listen to what I have to say on this topic!

On a forum like Dakka, you can't post like Stelek does on his blog...

Oh right it doesn't, just a random shot at this Stelek fellow, whoever he is.

Go read his blog, and ask yourself if his entries could be posted as-is on Dakka. Based on experience and past history, I would say that no, they couldn't.

That's not a shot, nor any personal judgement on that particular poster. That is a statement of fact, and would hold for anyone with a similar posting style. Even a Dakka Mod wouldn't be permitted to post like that.

I call it out, because it's a well-known blog that doesn't copy to any forum I'm aware of.

Meh, just do what i do and do not click through to their blogs period.

If they cant post it on the forums theyre on, and have to post a link its probably not worth looking at, theyre only hunting impressions.

CptZach wrote:
How am I carrying a torch for this stelek fellow, whoever he is, when i solely told people to get back on topic?

You're carrying a torch for him because of the fact that you've reacted overly defensively against what was otherwise a neutral passing comment citing his blog as evidence of behaviour earlier described. JHDD's comment seemed quite on topic. Your insistence that it should be dropped in the name of it being off-topic was not.

Were my followup posts semi troll? Sure. Which is my problem with forums, all it takes is one troll and a thread can die like that.

This thread isn't dead, in spite of your efforts, though I think I'm done with it, having said my piece.

Also, are you saying there is not rampant egotism and ads on dakka?

There is one ad, in the top banner, out of my view. I've actually got this site whitelisted in AdBlock. Additionally, their one banner is wargaming related. I don't mind looking at it. Stelek's has a banner and then ads down either side. Just went there. It had a Visa ad and some other unrelated garbage. Two Ford ads, and one asking me if I "WANT RAZOR-SHARP HD, WEATHER OR NOT?". It's also flashing at me.

As far as the egotism on Dakka goes, there IS indeed egotism. I don't want to call anyone out, but check out YMDC, for starters. The beauty of it all is here it's hundreds of egos all kept in check by mods as well as one-another. On a blog, there is one ego, and if you don't cater to it, then you lose your voice. I don't have the time to deal with that crap.

My personal opinion? Some people like talking on a smaller medium. Blogs let you do that. They let you cover 1 or 2 topics a day and not have 500 posts where everyone is trying to shout their opinions out as in a lot of forums.

And the beauty of the forum is that you're able to give that opinion without the concern that someone is going to immediately delete your post because it's not parroting the talking-point.

Also, some people like speaking their minds and trying to improve this hobby.

Yes. They do. See my above comment.

Ask yourself this, why do people hold 40k conventions? Most of them end up losing money so it can't be for the financial gain.

Yes, they COULD well lose money. In fact, I'd believe it if they did. This is probably some sort of failure of comprehension on my behalf, but I do not understand the relevance of this to the current topic.

Edits: Clarity, Spelling.

CptZach wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

CptZach wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

CptZach wrote:How is this any different from posting on a forum? I'm so important that people on the internet should listen to what I have to say on this topic!

On a forum like Dakka, you can't post like Stelek does on his blog...

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with people posting in blogs because they want to be listened to vs people posting on forums because they want to be listened too...
Oh right it doesn't, just a random shot at this Stelek fellow, whoever he is.
Someone apparently holds a grudge way too long for no reason...

No i think on a forum , people are free to argue / debate against OP's idea.
On a blog the owner can choose to delete anything unfavorable to themselves .

Once again you are giving reasons how it is different that don't answer the original question.

Didnt answer the original question? I think i did.
Anyone else think i didnt answer the question?

kenshin620 wrote:Blog=Online Journal of sorts

many people use to keep journals of their lives/hobbies. why not use the net and save a few trees?

This sort of, I started a blog mainly as a reason to vent my frustrations without being trolled or flamed, Even though my blog is in its infancy I like the way people comment as it adds another dimension to my thoughts and for me personally it often helps me understand things as I tend to be very single minded.

Meh, most blogs have something useful to say. Even YTTH, inbetween the bouts of emo whining and Stelek proving he's 'relevant' somehow.

Only one I've ever read that I truly thought offered nothing to anyone was that Blood of Kittens nonsense. It was just some emo whining about Stelek or something, it was like a kid trying to start a schoolyard fight. And it offered... nothing in the way of valuable insight. Just wasted time.

Then I heard he was trying to start some crap with people by accusing them of cheating and stuff. That one seems really worthless.

Most of the rest have at least some cool stuff. I really like Kirby's.

Without meaning to single you out specifically Oni, this is one of the reasons for a blog. Total and utter control in what goes out. Woe betide anyone who disagrees because their comments, irrespective of how useful that post or comment might be, are removed to give the host the illusion of complete agreement from all those who visited.

On some forums however there is a mono-track-mindedness. Especially in army selection - the 'internet' (as a whole) tells us that x list or y unit is rubbish or broken or whatever and we are forced to agree or else be ignorned/banned/flamed.
Not always, not on dakka but in some places

Redbeard wrote:It seems like there are a ton of 40k-related blogs running, that all seem to be the same thing - one guy talking about his (or possibly her) opinion on what works or what doesn't, and filtering/screening/controlling any comments that disagree. Is this sort of lack of discourse worth anything to anyone?

I was looking at Bell of Lost Souls this morning, and they've got a fairly interesting article about guard, but damn if I didn't have to click through four separate blogs to read it. What gives, are they counting on page impressions to generate ad revenue? What's wrong with putting something in one place?

I dunno, I don't get it. I prefer the open discourse that you get in a forum, where everyone is on equal ground and discussion is between equals, rather than portrayed as between the master and his students, as it feels on many of these blog sites.

Blogging work on a project is one thing. Blogging yet another opinion about why guard rocks in 5th edition just screams of egotism to me.

Not exactly. Forums really aren't any better. You generally have one or a small group of people filtering/screening/controlling any comments they disagree with on forums as well.

The internet has been an echo chamber for quite awhile now it's not limited to Warhammer.

LunaHound wrote:
Didnt answer the original question? I think i did.
Anyone else think i didnt answer the question?

I think he didn't read the first post.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

CptZach wrote:How is this any different from posting on a forum? I'm so important that people on the internet should listen to what I have to say on this topic!

On a forum like Dakka, you can't post like Stelek does on his blog...

Which is a great thing, go read his blog, you'll understand.

I really like the blogs. I read bunches of them to find out cool conversions etc. Not a fan of Dick Move and those blogs though.

Around 90-95% of these "Blogs" are crap. Tool bags stroking thier own ego trying to go on like they know what they are talking about. Then to see how they try to justify it as genuine opinion, its just like the old saying goes-

Everyone is famous for fifteen minutes.


Unfortunatly on minute 16, they are a memory. The "podcasts" are almost as bad, with the added penalty of hearing some of these people's voices- There are a chosen few out there that need to be punched in the throat. Yes, you countless warmachine podcasts, I am looking at you.

It's great to read or hear something of value. It's quite another to read or hear ego stroking.

Grot 6 wrote:Around 90-95% of these "Blogs" are crap.

Really? 90% crap? wow.

Grot 6 wrote:
Unfortunatly on minute 16, they are a memory. The "podcasts" are almost as bad, with the added penalty of hearing some of these people's voices- There are a chosen few out there that need to be punched in the throat.

"way to go tough guy!"

People want to have their say about what they think works in games or does not. Does it really bother people about people's egotism on blogs? You can always choose not to read the blogs.

@ JHDD

I didnt think any of your comments were a shot at Stelek. Its toneless internet ftw.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:Around 90-95% of these "Blogs" are crap.

Really? 90% crap? wow.

Please, John... Wiki? Run along and post something other then a clever quip.

And for Plank, read the rest of the comment and try to not prove me right.

"Around 90-95% of these "Blogs" are crap. Tool bags stroking thier own ego trying to go on like they know what they are talking about. Then to see how they try to justify it as genuine opinion, its just like the old saying goes-

Everyone is famous for fifteen minutes.


Unfortunatly on minute 16, they are a memory. The "podcasts" are almost as bad, with the added penalty of hearing some of these people's voices- There are a chosen few out there that need to be punched in the throat. Yes, you countless warmachine podcasts, I am looking at you.

It's great to read or hear something of value. It's quite another to read or hear ego stroking."

-ME

You don't like my opinion try to do something other then be a douche, like oh, I don't know, prove me wrong?

Name me a good blog to read and try to change my opinion. The ones I've wasted my time with were total garbage. maybe you have something to offer other then some plank with a plank.

I don't like reading ego stroking. If there were blogs out there worth my time, I might even go back and crazy enough even change my mind.

Till then, I stick with my opinion.

Grot 6 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:Around 90-95% of these "Blogs" are crap.

Really? 90% crap? wow.

Please, John... Wiki?

Run along and post something other then a clever quip.

Wow, what peed in your cornflakes this morning?

The wiki was for those who didn't already know that 90% of everything is crap. Go run along and get a grip before you post again.

Besides why are there so many forums? I swear I bet theres more video game forums than book reading clubs!

Grot 6 wrote:
You don't like my opinion try to do something other then be a douche, like oh, I don't know, prove me wrong?

Name me a good blog to read and try to change my opinion. The ones I've wasted my time with were total garbage. maybe you have something to offer other then some plank with a plank.

I don't like reading ego stroking. If there were blogs out there worth my time, I might even go back and crazy enough even change my mind.

Till then, I stick with my opinion.

If you want good strategy articles, Kirby's is the best (it's tagline is 100% true):

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/


Jawaballs makes a great paint blog, although I'm hardly the expert on paint blogs, so maybe someone else could list good ones too.

If you just want to say "All blogs are crap!" knock yourself out. Just don't expect others to respect your opinion.