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but in not so many words
a space marine would as a matter of fact, up every spartan in the halo universe

Obviously these guys win

Cadichan Support wrote:Obviously these guys win

Wrong.

These guys will:

asimo77 wrote:Well if you consider Tau to be somewhat like the Covenant then maybe a Spartan might be a worthy foe since they pretty much beat them, though he'd still get pulverized in the end. Then again I don't know how any of their guns short of a Spartan Laser or Rocket Launcher would do anything.

Tau run away as they shoot. Covenant do just the oppisite.

How hasn't this thread been locked yet, I reported it and everything.

Whoops voted Spartans.
I'm (pretending that I'm) voting Space Marines. Though some of those Spartans could do very crazy things.

Brother SRM wrote:How hasn't this thread been locked yet, I reported it and everything.

party poopers make borale sad...

(just couldn't resist)

I see spartans like this: (Assuming pre-Reach status)

UNSC Spartans: 15 points/model

Squad Size: 5-10 Spartans

WS 3
BS 4
S 4
T 3
I 4
A 1
Sv. 4+/5+

Wargear: DMR, Handgun, Frag Grenades

Special Rules: Deep Strike (See also: Halo 3 intro), Combat Tactics, Combat Squads

A Spartan may trade their DMR for an Assault Rifle at no additional cost.

One Spartan per five in a squad may be upgraded to one of the following weapons:

Sniper Rifle: 10 pts.
Shotgun: 5 pts.
Spartan Laser- 20 pts.
Minigun- 20pts

DMR: Range 24" S: 3 AP: - Rapid Fire
Assault Rifle: Range 18" S: 3 AP: - Assault 2
Handgun: Range 12" S:3 AP:- Pistol
Sniper Rifle: Range 36" S: X AP: 5 Heavy 1
Spartan Laser- Range 48" S: 8 AP: 2 Heavy 1
Shotgun- Range 12" S:4 AP:- Assault 2
Minigun- Range 24" S:3 AP: - Heavy 4

I think that the Spartans would put up a good fight but ultimately lose in the end thanks to the 3+ armor save and superior WS of the Space Marines.

Spartans don't compare to Space Marines.

Sorry, they just don't.

The best example to use when comparing Spartans to anything in 40k is the Cadian Kasrkin Regiments(going off of the background for them. Not the statlines of Stormtroopers. And it's a toss-up, but I'd honestly say that Stormtroopers are a step beneath Kasrkin in terms of training, equipment, etc).

Kasrkin and Spartans both undergo brutal live-fire training from a very young age, have fairly significant genetic augmentations, and wear the most advanced armor and use the most complex "basic" weaponry(Spartans utilizing things like the Oracle uplinks for their sniper rifles, etc and Kasrkin using Hellguns, Plasma Guns, yadda) available to their respective forces.

Spartan II's or Spartan III's? I think it would be an even match against Spartan II's

Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

Not again!


I'll have nothing to do with this!

Especially not in http://galefire.com/illustrations/sequential/vs-spartan-vs-space-marine/

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

If a spartan was sitting 100 ft away from the sm with a sniper, kudos to the spartan for killing the marine. if they were, say, 5 ft away from each other, of course the marine would win.

Asherian Command wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

Pft. Don't blame the Halo fans. Blame the Space Mareenz(Hurr!) crowd. They're pretty much always the ones starting the threads.

space_elf5996 wrote:If a spartan was sitting 100 ft away from the sm with a sniper, kudos to the spartan for killing the marine. if they were, say, 5 ft away from each other, of course the marine would win.

No the bullet would bounce off and kill the Spartan. I'm sorry. But Space Marine armor is made out of adamantium. Spartan armor is not.... Space Marine bolters would bypass the damn shields and kick the out of the sparatans. Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

Pft. Don't blame the Halo fans. Blame the Space Mareenz(Hurr!) crowd. They're pretty much always the ones starting the threads.

What did you not think i was a space marine player O.o
uhh look at my sig it tells everything about me
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Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

sure, Mister Chief was pretty cool, but hes still just a well trained duder, in some weird shielding armor with modern weapons.

Space marines are super genetically advanced humans, with super advanced weapons, in super advanced armor built from super strong materials. Lets not forget that they live for inordinate periods of time, and have been hardened by fighting the most terrifying things in the universe for centuries. Super super super.

Space Marines win hands down. As well they should. Spartans are envisioned in the near future, while space marines in the far future. OF COURSE they would be better equipped / engineered.

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

it is for balance reasons. Bolter rounds are flipping rending in books. Plus against eldar wraithbones not too powerful. they have harden carcass. And their are only like 1 space marine for every planet....

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

it is for balance reasons. Bolter rounds are flipping rending in books. Plus against eldar wraithbones not too powerful. they have harden carcass. And their are only like 1 space marine for every planet....

Sorry can you clear up your sentences a bit? I'm having trouble understanding what you mean.
The shell case i have is a 4.5 howizter which is about 4 or 5 inches across even with 1 marine per planet they could... well they could do anything with practically no losses the bolter is good but it's not that good and certainlly not that big either.
Now this is getting off topic (not sure if anyone cares) so i'm gonna stop.

Bolter is .998 Caliber. It was in fluff somewhere although I don't remember exactly where. Yes I know the rounds blow up I was only noting the size.

3rd ed had the specs. Really wish they had military experts show the damage of a bolter shell or a lascannon...

Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

Ninjas *sigh*

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

The bolter's round(and effects) are roughly equivalent to the Gauss Cannon on a Warthog.

Spartans can take three hits from a Gauss Cannon and keep going.

Yeah. but the bolter shells fire 5 bolt shells.... at a time.

Bloody ninjas