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Hi chaps and gals. Have not updated in a while I have not really been in the mood for painting and when I did do a little bit it was on one of my necron pylons. Anyway hoping to get going with the guard again soon I have been playtesting them and have made a couple of big changes to the list.

So here is the new list.

HQ
Company command squad 50pts
1 company commander / boltgun 2pts
2 veterans / lasguns
1 veteran / plasma gun 15pts
1 veteran / melta gun 10pts

77pts

Troops
Veteran squad 70pts
1 sergeant / shotgun
6 veterans / lasguns
3 veterans / plasma guns 45pts

115pts x3 345pts

Chimera 55pts
multi laser
heavy bolter
searchlight
smoke launchers

55pts x4 220pts

Heavy support
Leman russ squadron
1 leman russ / 150pts
sponson heavy bolters / 20pts

170pts x3 510pts

Fast attack
Scout sentinel squadron
2 scout sentinels 70pts
Multi lasers

70pts x2 140pts

Fast attack
Vendetta gunship squadron
1 Vendetta 130pts
Set of heavy bolter sponsons 10pts

140pts

Elites
Guardsman Marbo 65pts

65pts Army total 1497

What do you all think. I have noticed that in the games I had with the older list the outflanking sentinels constantly performed shoting tanks in the rare and tangling heavy weapons teams up in combat. In the last game a pair of them even kicked a fire prism out of the sky then kicked its main gun off. So I have added a 4th sentinel put them in 2 squads of 2 and added a vendetta that can also outflank.


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Ive just finished building the model that I will use as marbo.

Here are a few quick pics.









Hope you like

Right a proper update. Sorry for the wait been having a few issues lately.

Right few bits have changed. The marbo counts as that I posted I probably wont use now. I need to ring gw and find out how twatsish they are about using counts as characters probably very from my experience. If so I will buy marbo and cut his legs and hands off and mount them on a cadian torso with one of my pig iron heads. They cant really moan as that would still be the marbo model.

I have done the turret to mount on one of the demolishers so I can use it as a leman russ.

A whole squad of veterans is now done apart from base's and the melta gun for the command squad is also done.

The forth sentinel is ready to be painted and I have started work on my vendetta gunship aswell as starting to paint the third chimera and doing the base's of the other three sentinels.


So here we go pic time I will start with the leman russ.







Just the turret done to mount on what was a demolisher so now all three lemanruss are complete to a playable standard.


Now time for the four sentinels



















I am quite pleased with how these guys have turned out. Again when the whole army is done there will most likely be additional details painted onto the models.

The wip vendetta





Very much in the starting stages still here. The white on this model seems to be taking me forever to get done but its nearly there then I can start on the details.

My command squad



and the vet squad





Finally the wip chimera









Thats it for now. I wont be able to do any more for a couple of days I have run out of spray paint and I am going for a check up in london tomorrow after the heart operation Ive had.

I hope you all ahve plenty of comments and now Im off to paint strip a Baneblade for one of my other threads.

Goodbye

I done some of the next veteran squad yesterday while I was working on my baneblade for the other thread. So heres a picture of the first half of the second squad.



Hope you like

Sir, your miniatures are looking excellent.

I like the minimalist use of colour (especially the use of grey, a personal favourite of mine) it makes the details and small coloured sections really 'pop' and catch your eye. Nice to see the list evolve aswell.

Marbo rocks; I just hope he can throw that demo charge far enough.

One question - what are the powers that be (almighty GW and all their little familiars) opinions about non GW stuff used in tournament armies? I've heard "70% GW is exceptable" bandied about but I've never been sure about any official ruling. I ask because I'm (very, very, very slowly) adjusting my RT Squats to be used as Guard (in-between what seems like thousands of other random projects, work and owning a wife - I may sadly have the last point the wrong way around) and wanted to take them back to their spiritual home (until the 'nids eat nottingham) at some point for a tourney. I've been really careful to use only GW stuff so far but in a lot of cases it would have been quicker, cheaper and easier - let alone more aesthetically pleasing to use other manufacturers products.

I love what you've done and will follow with interest. If you finish all the painting and modeling well before the GT (which seems likely the speed you are moving - putting me to shame) please continue somewhere in the forums with batreps etc so we can see how the army changes or adapts and how the whole tournament process evolves.

Keep it up.

Thanks chap its nice to get some positive feedback. I will keep the thread going after the army is done It will rpobably turn into a general guard thread some my marine adn guard thread can go back to just marine.

Im not very happy with the marbo myself and I need to ring up gw and find out about thei bollox converting special character rules. I think I might get the normal marbo model and cut the crap out of him giving him a cadian body ect.

GW is normally ona stance that the model had to start as a gw model and must be at least 50% gw. Thats how it was the last time I went to a gt back when they dint have stupid rules and a really crap point system.

You might want to check out my thread about the baneblade I think it would interest you.

Already there my friend. very nice big tank of doom. Would love to convert one into the start of my land train. Can just see my money disappearing down the GW sink hole.

My friend Gonefishing has been in the last few GT's with his legendary Ninja Tau and was v.upset by the new system this year.

Glad to see a valkyrie in there, even if its just a massive distraction for your opponent its worth it.

To be honest mate the vendetta never deploys. I out flank with it to get some side armour or rear by the time it turns up then the opponent has to turn around to deal with it taking them away from my leman russ. I wouldnt use it if it couldnt outflank.

I will do some more of it today I think I want to see it painted.

Vendetta Got some more paint today the metal work is starting to look real nice. Getting there getting there 0_o

Nearly finished the second vet squad and done some other bits and bobs.
I
m trying to get a rig of daylight bulbs set up so I can take some more true to life pictures for you its getting there but will be a couple of days untill its done I thiink.

Ok I got a little game report for ya as requested.

The pictures arnt great but its the best I could do in the light and with my shity shakes.



Ok this is the games start. Chapy (thats what my mate Matty wil be called in this) took the first turn in a dawn of war deployment style game. He deepstriked his demons pretty much where he wanted them being a bit carefull as I did not deploy anything. A tactic I often use in dawn of war to save my starting troops from being slaughtered and to waste a turn of the opponent. I then proceeded to drive all my infantry and battle tanks onto the board leaving the sentinels marbo and the vendetta in reserve.





My initial shooting as things drove on pretty much destroyed one squad of bloodletters leaving things as you see them above.





Then this happened. A soul grinder and big squad of bloodcrushers apeared right in front of my initial armour line. This represnted a potentialy game destroying situation for me.





I did manage to get both my sentinel squads to arrive and on the side I needed them. They were now in a position to pump 4 multi lasers into the back of the soul grinder. But I dint have high hopes for the outcome.





So to make things seem a bit better in ways of me getting out of the gak I done this. All chimeras manovered to dump their veterans and my command squad in an position where the whole lot could rapid fire everything at the bloodcrushers as I knew that they were a bigger threat in the long run than the soul grinder. After all transports and infantry had fired the bloodcrushers had been removed. The sentinels let rip at the soul grinder but only blew off a combat weapon. The near battle tank had shifted sideways so that at least the grinder had to hit it in combat it then fired its cannon at the beast and nearly destroyed itself after a real bad backwards scatter. The far battle tank then fired and also nearly killed the poor leman russ sitting next to the grinder.



The infantry had done well only 1 of 10 plasma guns blew up but as you can see above they now had a new problem.





As expected the blood thirster jumped straight in and assaulted one of my squads and to the flank a demon prince jumped into a sentinel squadron. The soul grinder charged the nearby battle tank resulting in the tanks destruction. The blood thirster failed killing only 3 guard who held firm. The demon prince destroyed both sentinels in the squad.





So in my turn I remanovered. The remaining squads jumped back into their apcs and scattered at full speed away from the bloodthirster. This would mean that where ever he went after the guard finally died he would be alone and have a real hard time hitting me. But the second leman russ could not get very far away. The remain sentinels fired on the demon prince and failed.



Marbo did turn up in this turn he threw and demobomb at the back of the soul grinder and blew its legs off. RESULT. The guard in combat then got slaughtered predictably.

In chapys next turn he deepstriked another demon prince but at the back of the bored which confused me. The bloodthirster charged the next leman russ and only blew its main gun off. And the first demon prince blew up the second pair of sentinels.

In my next turn I repositioned my troops and damaged leman russ around the bloodthirster just as I had done to the blood crushers. They oblitorated it and the leman russ with no main gun took 2 wounds off the demon prince. My command squad drove up the board to fight some blood letters. Also the vendetta turned up pumping all its guns into the new demon prince hurting it twice.



In chappys last turn (turn 5) he flew his demon prince at my vendetta but was no where near. The first demon prince assaulted marbo and it beat him senseless but who dint see that comming. Some bloodletters move onto his objective.

In my final turn I moved my chimeras to fire on his bloodletters holding his objective and moved my troops onto my objective. The command squad got out and killed the second demon prince and between the vendetta and the chimeras his bloodletters where taken down to 2 that wernt on the objective.

The game then ended as we rolled a 1 for game length and resulted in a 1 objective for me and none for chapy. Not bad.


I hope this was ok and you liked it could of done with more pictures but not bad for first battle report?

Hope you like it and have plenty of comments and questions.

Well ill assume no one like the battle report.

Anyway done some bits and bobs on my Vendetta today still got a way to go though.









Still lots to do. And if any one has tips on how to make that glass look less well gak please help me but I do want it purple as it fits the rest of the army its just the edges as i tryed just a bit of a highlight and that looked gak to. HELP

Wow. I love the color of your models. Nicely done!

Thanx Bunny. You seem to be an avid follower of my 2 guard threads

I am liking the models very much, the only issue is the army list, but that is your call sir. Great work though!

Whats your veiw on the army list?

I will just say so far it has not been beaten or even close to beaten and I probably dont use it how most people would Ive had stupid amounts of experience playing with armies of this style.

Please though I want veiws so how would you change it and why?

Looks good , i like the grey and purple colour scheme. Its also nice to see a custom ig army.

neil101 thanks chap. I hant done that much to it really. Just some pig iron heads and a few heavy weapons backpacks. Wanted the guard to look like veterans not just guard with a better BS

What can I say Truffle? I like your work. You've got yourself a stalker.

Ha brilliant. I just finished another chimera will put some pictures up after tea.

Truffle wrote:Whats your veiw on the army list?

I will just say so far it has not been beaten or even close to beaten and I probably dont use it how most people would Ive had stupid amounts of experience playing with armies of this style.

Please though I want veiws so how would you change it and why?

Well, I am an efficiency man myself. If the list is working for you, then congrats sir and I am assume it fits your play style well then.

I am a MechVets + LR man myself. I like to make each squad geared towards the same objectives, whether it be anti-tank or anti-infantry. With that said, I would probably give the CCS either all Melta or all Plasma (I am partial to the latter). That will give your CCS a solid distance shot, and will still allow it to be in range to give out orders if all goes according to plan. The Melta will force you to rush in and possibly out of Orders range. With that said, I would possibly drop your LRs and Sentinels for more Vendettas/Valks. My personal preference is for more LRS, so I would drop the sentinels & vendettas, but I read you like to scout. With that said, adding more valks/vendettas will give your opponent more targets while giving you a great air supremacy and firepower. Also some transports incase a chimera or two go down. I have played a little with an AirCav/Mech mix and I had pretty good results. The bonus of the fliers is their firepower they bring, transport capacity, and scout/DS. With that said, I made a quick list referencing what I said:

- CCS w/ 4x Plasma, Chimera (ML/HB)
- 2x Vet Squad w/ 3x Plasma, Chimera (ML/HB)
- Vet Squad w/ 3x Melta, Chimera (ML/HB)
- Marbo
- Vendetta Squadron (3x) w/ HB Sponsons
- Valkyrie Squadron (3x) w/ HB Sponsons
- 25 Pts left for upgrades...

^That list effectively gives you 4 pieces of armor, crazy marbo, and then 6 Pieces of flying armor which can double as transports if needed. The main issue in your original list was a lack to deal with high toughness targets/ anti-tank. The addition of 9 twin-linked lascannons should help very much. The Valks will provide more target saturation and also anti-infantry fire. If you still need even more higher str. firepower, you can put lascannons on the valks too; alternatively you could drop the valks for more vendettas. This is a highly efficient army, and should be able to take on any other army with relative ease.

This is of course my humble opinion, but if what you have works for you, then that is what is best sir. Anyway, great progress and I have been enjoying the stalking of this thread very much!

Yes I hear what your saying and it all makes sense.

Ill be honest my command squad did have 2 plasma but one was droped for a cheaper melta as I had a couple of points to many. This could be counted by taking the bolter off my commander but that would make him less interesting of a model. I know that does not matter but it makes him stand out.

I dont take leman russ tanks of any sort in higher number and I have a very good reason for this. A leman russ in a squad is inferior to 2 leman russ that are on their own.
The older version of the list had a pair of demolishers together and I also have tryed a pair of leman russ together. I find that they are killed to easily by high fire power armies as the damage criples both at the same time and manoverability is just rubish making them very prone to assault which just oblitorates tank squadrons.

The airborn army I have seen before yes it would be good apart from may hate for squadrons I also hate the model for valkeries and never want to paint another one. Also they are very expensive and I love tanks I have 40 leman russ tanks and love to use them.

For the most part through I think we have very similar views. As for the sentinels dont underestimate them. Having 2 sentinels pop up behind a tank is like having 6 lascannons fire at the front. Just the way I tend to point out my tactics it makes sense.

Does that help you understand my list a bit better?

One last note I expect massive amounts of over powered bloodangel armies with stupid amounts of feel no pain. The battle cannon is the nemmisis of these armies and reason enough to use leman russ over the flyers.


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Right got the pictures of finished chimera







Thats the basics untill the whole army is done so I can add more details.

I am going to start basing men now.


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This is a pic of the 20 guard I have just started basing. Hant been a bad day for getting bits done.

I have noticed by taking it that some how I hant done the visor glint on the same side for all the models. Will have to change that.

Okay, well it seems you have very valid points for what you take and why you take it. I would then probably drop the one Vendetta you have for some more tanks though. That one Vendetta is going to be a magnet for firepower. I would stick with the mech theme and possibly add another Melta Vet Squad? You may need to free up some points, but that would give you even more bodies, and better manurverability. One Vendetta is going to be a magnet for enemy fire.

Like the purple contrasting the grey, nice touch!

BlutEisenRegel Thanks I took a note from the slanesh way of thinking.

On the army list note. I want to try not to do any major changes at this stage. You are right if the vendetta was deployed it would take huge fire as it owns my only lascannons but as it always outflanks it always gets to shoot its target first normally in the side or back.
I want to try and stay away from just a line of vets in chimeras and tanks as this is also boring to use and to get the vet I would have to drop some sentinels and that is not an option they perform to well. If I did take more vets would take plasma guns its just the theme kind of wrecked by my one random melta gun :( The removeal of the vendetta for more plasma vets would ruin my anti heavy armour abilitys and taking out the sentinels to would destroy the armies anoyance factor as well as the fact that with botth a vendetta and 4 sentinels popping up randomly at the side with no way for the opponent to know when or where changes the way people play against me. It often makes them much more defensive scared I will hit their tanks from behind.

I do still persist that we think on the same lines but for my very strange playstyle I think my list suits me as a player better. Think that that boltgun might have to go though so I can have 2 plasma guns in my command squad like you said and how it was in the first place.


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Ok heres a couple of picks of what I have done so far today. Not much really just primed the last chimera and managed to get the 20 bases painted black. I will start the drybrushing of them now.

No one got any ideas of how to make that vendettas windows look a bit better yet?





Thanks guys

Nice technique and army. im subscribing to your thread. Keep up the great work. You are an inspiration!

brainscan wrote:Nice technique and army. im subscribing to your thread. Keep up the great work. You are an inspiration!

That probably the nicest thing thats been said to me on here. Thanks

And also here are 2 more pics. The bases after they have had their grey then after they have had their white and the rimms painted black. Just need to redo the boots but cant be arsed tonight will do that in the mornning.

Looking great. They're definitely somethin' when grouped together.

Thanks Bunny. I will try get some more of the baneblade done on friday.

Very little progress yesterday. Finished off them 20 guardsmen by painting their boots black that was about it. My eyes were saying no to anything else.

Sorry for lack of decent updates. Have not been doing much paintting this week. Tonight I done a little of the vendetta and the base colour on the command chimera. Afraid thats all I have for you.