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Oscarius wrote:Because?

Honestly, that's not what the rules say at all. The hellhound is still a template weapon and if you fire at an unit in a ruin you use the template rules in the ruin section.

Because it ignores real world physics and RAI saying it can't
Because it ignores the Hellhounds special rule (i.e. 12" range, then place the template)
Because it makes you TFG if you argue that it can't
Because you're agueing a point based on the lack of evidence (i.e. Hellhound is not mentioned with the exceptions in the rulebook)
Because you may as well say it can't fire up a hill
Because you can place the template anywhere within 12" of the barrel, it doesn't then magically jump down a level in a ruin because of p85

Multi quoting ahoy.

Oscarius wrote:Because?

Honestly, that's not what the rules say at all. The hellhound is still a template weapon and if you fire at an unit in a ruin you use the template rules in the ruin section.

Because it ignores real world physics and RAI saying it can't

Real world physics have no bearing on the rules, also I think you meant "can".

Because it ignores the Hellhounds special rule (i.e. 12" range, then place the template)

Nope, you can place it with in 12", but only on the same level or one level up/down.

Because it makes you TFG if you argue that it can't

I don't think so, subjective point. And I'm not scared of that either,

Because you're agueing a point based on the lack of evidence (i.e. Hellhound is not mentioned with the exceptions in the rulebook)

Nope, I'm arguing the point that the hellhound is a template weapon, it is the other point that lacks evidence.

Because you may as well say it can't fire up a hill

No, it's only the ruin point I'm arguing, you can fire up a hill and still follow the rules

Because you can place the template anywhere within 12" of the barrel, it doesn't then magically jump down a level in a ruin because of p85

So by the same logic, fire into close combat? (Place the template, it doesn't magically jump 2" away to avoid close combat)

Unfortunately this does appear to be a case of RAW defeat common sense. A house rule could easily clear this up within your local group and I cant see any sensible opponent denying you a shot at a higher level as long as you remain within the 12" range. If you regularly attend tournaments tho I would seek clarification before play.

As in "clarify whether the tournament will houserule something that is 100% clear"?

And that means that I'm not a sensible person.

Like I said, RAW defeat common sense.

konort ranger wrote:Like I said, RAW defeat common sense.

What's your point?

My point is that we have already agreed that RAW state that because the Hounds range is considered template then the template rules apply with respect to only being able to target the adjacent floors. However, it doesnt take a massive leap of imagination to see beyond the black and white to the intention of the Hound being a ranged flamer weapon, as its codex entry suggests, and therefore having a little more leeway in being able to project its effect out or up to the 12" mark.

That aside, this is of course using 'fluff' to influence hard rules and I accept the communities views on that. All Im saying is that some who dont play quite as hardline could perhaps houserule it.

Of course they could, but that's all it is: a house rule.