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Shadowbrand wrote:Or you could like you know. Have a life instead of debating on the internet.

OH! BURN

You are NOT helping.

Shadowbrand wrote:Or you could like you know. Have a life instead of debating on the internet.

I like the OT Forum, but if it got to the point where I didn't I would follow this advice.

As a side note, I happen to think the OT moderator(s) that people are complaining about is(are) fething hysterical.

WarOne wrote:
I do plenty of thinking on my own, thank you. I've already come to two conclusions that didn't take 50 years :

1) Don't debate dogma.

2) if you do enter a debate and correct me, just accept it and move on since it is not worth the time to correct you since you are probably right and I am wrong.

I don't often know whether or not people pick up on my pop-culture references, so I'll just be clear so that it doesn't seem like I was being mocking.

That was a quote from Good Will Hunting.

Eh OT is ok. I couldn't be bothered with half of the topics.

Mostly because they only matter to the Americans or British. Once in a awhile I come in to talk about the finer things in life aside from Warhammer 40k.

Shadowbrand wrote:Eh OT is ok. I couldn't be bothered with half of the topics.

Mostly because they only matter to the Americans or British. Once in a awhile I come in to talk about the finer things in life aside from Warhammer 40k.

America kinda matters to us since it's decline will drag us down. As long as they keep screwing up and doing stupid things then we'll be hurt by it.

If it's not doing anything to my own little world I tend to not care.

I used to post a lot in the OT, but I seldom do any more. Part of it was my general Dakka Exile (some of which was due to banning, but most of which was spite), but I think that most of it is simply not seeing any point to it. There are people more knowledgeable than me in nearly any area, and those less knowledgeable as a general rule have little interest in actually learning or changing their mind.

The Dakka OT forum is a cesspool of know-it-alls, know-nothings, and I Can Haz Cheesburger pictures.

My suggestion is that you refrain from visiting the OT if it really bothers you that much, Darth Bob. It isn't all that hard to do.

I enjoy the OT, but I should take more time to find interesting threads in other forums. At some point I will get back into modeling so I can start or renew one of my older blog threads. At any rate, I find that this is a good forum for general what-not, even if I could probably find dedicated forums for each of the topics covered here. I'd rather not, as I quite like most of the regulars throughout most of Dakka.

Darth Bob wrote:The Dakka OT forum is a cesspool of know-it-alls, know-nothings, and I Can Haz Cheesburger pictures.

Darth Bob wrote:The Dakka OT forum is a cesspool of know-it-alls, know-nothings, and I Can Haz Cheesburger pictures.

^^THIS x 1,000,000,000,000

I'm a total know-nothing and you had me at know-it-alls. In celebration, I will go off on a I Can Haz Cheesburger derivative tangent and post the song that goes through my head when I read certain posts...

To Wrexasaur and Monster Rain, I simply characterized the OT forum for what it is.

Doesn't mean I don't love every bit of it .

Oh. I avoid Icanhaschzbrgr because of their damn watermarks. DAMN INTERNET.

Anyway, cesspools aren't necessarily bad things , I guess.

The thought of wading in poo is a bit odd, but I am two monkeys knife-fighting and you are a psychotic photo album gone wrong... I think...



http://www.cefns.nau.edu/Projects/WDP/resources/treatmentsyst/Cesspool.htm

The offtopic forum is like most of the internet, you're talking about stuff with people you don't really know, and that frees people up from some of the rules of real life conversation. But the OT forums here tends to be pretty good natured, so while there are plenty of arguments you don't often see people carrying those arguments into other threads, most users seem to have a pretty good approach to the forum.

Polonius wrote:I used to post a lot in the OT, but I seldom do any more. Part of it was my general Dakka Exile (some of which was due to banning, but most of which was spite), but I think that most of it is simply not seeing any point to it. There are people more knowledgeable than me in nearly any area, and those less knowledgeable as a general rule have little interest in actually learning or changing their mind.

For what it's worth, I always liked your contributions.

WarOne wrote:
There are a few debators who do not actually debate but rather ruin the thought process of the argument by adding in inane arguments, statements, and pictures that undermine the integrity of the thread and ruin what could of been a really good debate.

I don't know what you're talking about.







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WarOne wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:It would be better if we had more active resident mods, or at least if they didn't drag topics into trolldom themselves so often.

That actually brings up a very interesting point, as there are some mods who treat the OT forum as a joke.

No seriously, here comes criticism of moderators.

The standard for what can and cannot be acceptable in the OT forum is low. So long as you are nice and stay on topic, things are okay.

However, you may get a WHOLE page where moderators derail the whole topic BY THEMSELVES. Wouldn't it be prudent not to engage in such behavior if you have to close threads because others behave that way?

Of course Dakka has some fine moderators and they are overall very nice people. I just don't like it when they have to intervene in a situation when they do the same thing as those who offended to close a thread.

*does not duck on purpose*

Many of the Moderators would rather eliminate the OT Zone as it generates reports not attendant to playing of toy soldiers.
Other Moderators post here regularly as they were posters before they were moderators.
Some Mods correctly view this as the OT Zone, which is not necessarily the place for heavy and scathing attacks. After all, the latest religion sucks thread is generally right above the I have an itch thread. The OT is viewed as flypaper to keep some of you crazies away from the good folk of the other directories. OT the smelly biker bar at the end of the street that keeps the bikers away from the rest of the citizenry.
Killkrazy just wants to bend the OT to his nefarious sweater wearing purposes.

Dakka lists sharply to the right I find.

In my experience most people will list most environments in which they find arguments to be politically, socially, or culturally 'opposite' of themselves. The thing is, its often pretty difficult to tell how people identify, unless they're like Frazzled and some others that wear their core beliefs on their sleeve.

dogma wrote: some others that wear their core beliefs on their sleeve.

Frazzled wrote:
Killkrazy just wants to bend the OT to his nefarious sweater wearing purposes.

..appears to be working as well...

Henners91 wrote:Dakka lists sharply to the right I find.

The difference between Dakka and other sites that I've seen is that it's not openly hostile to Conservative ideology, so that might be throwing you off. Other than the occasional troublemaker I think that all viewpoints are allowed to represented which makes for pretty decent discussion every now and then.

There is a good mix of views in the OT. The only mod that regularly polices the OT is pretty sharply right wing with a penchant for emotional reactions to issues. The ramifications of that are left as an exercise to the reader.

Polonius wrote:There is a good mix of views in the OT. The only mod that regularly polices the OT is pretty sharply right wing with a penchant for emotional reactions to issues. The ramifications of that are left as an exercise to the reader.

Still, I don't feel like he "moderates" according to his beliefs. As long as you're behaving you can say whatever you want.

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You would not believe how hard was to get this right.

My OT experience? Sex, Drugs, Lady Gaga.

And boring politics junk from time to time.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:My OT experience? Sex, Drugs, Lady Gaga.

And boring politics junk from time to time.

Sounds like any other news outlet, really.

Henners91 wrote:Dakka lists sharply to the right I find.

It's probably roughly in the centre, I think, once you account for the stronger US presence and the generally more right wing views of wargamers.

I think dogma has the right of it, any perception of political leaning is probably due more to the observer than the forum.

So are you saying that it's roughly in the center of a mainly American wargaming community?

Because by your own definition that would make it at least slightly to the right, compared to say a general anglosphere sampling.

As someone left of centre, I do feel somewhat a minority in the political discussions from time to time. Perhaps it's just some of the right wingers being fairly outspoken and not polite, decent, socially compassionate and patient folks like myself.















Now where did I put those Buseytrolls...

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You would not believe how hard was to get this right.

Rubiks swins through sheer force of WILL!

Polonius, you got banned?! Woah, when?
(Perhaps you'd rather not post about it, but that suprised me!)
I always enjoyed your contributions too. I like reading the OT as long as it doesn't devolve into quote fest arguments. I like well structured posts with good english (I'm not great at it, myself, but I know it when I see it ) and you get a fair bit of that here. A lot of posters put effort into their posts too, and that's cool. And you get a wide spectrum of opinion, that can make you think.
On the attacks side of things, it used to be a lot worse, mainly due to a couple of personalities clashing with each other. It seems mellow these days.

There are a few threads that have made me use the ol' noggin, and I find that conversations here are often more intelligent (or at least more polite) than forums dedicated to actual intelligent stuff. Not that wargaming isn't intelligent.


For example the Blood Dolphins thread was a great well mannered and invigorating debate until it sorta went off track and devolved into "My logic beats your logic." "No it doesn't!" "You're stupid!"