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rubiksnoob wrote:

Commissar NIkev wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:
ahh, well that's a bummer. Best sport ever. You could try and find a club, but they are usually pretty expensive.

well I could probably find enough people to start a team....but so far as I know, the game is nowhere near as popular in AMerica than it is over there......plus......In band, Time is a thing we don't have extra.

Yeah, it unfortunately isn't. people are too fascinated by girly man sports like football

The football coach at our school HATES the rugby team cuz all his players like rugby better. About a quarter of last year's varsity team isn't playing this year cuz they're playing rugby

Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

When I was in Jr. High I was bullied a lot. I tried everything that the teachers and school administrators and my parents told me to do to stop it.

It did not work.

Then, one morning I hit a bully as hard as I possibly could. I think that he was shocked and suprised. He tried it again one time after that and I hit him again.
Didn't have any trouble after that.

Moral: Ask them to stop in language that they will understand clearly.

I used to be the victim of bullying, usually during elementary school. That changed pretty fast. I was one of those guys who would give you trouble if you came to them looking for it. I was the dirtiest fighter of my time, I've used every trick in the book, and I came to be respected for that.

I was bullied pretty bad my freshman year. On my first day of school in my first class I was the first person to arrive. The second was a girl. I said hello to her, she spit on my open history book. I called her a bitch under my breath. That afternoon a senior -- the school's quarterback, who was a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier than me - grabbed me after school and informed me that I had called his girlfriend a bitch. He tried to push me around, but I stood up for myself and gave a good show of it. So he called his friends over, and four guys beat the snot out of me.

That became pretty much a daily occurrence. There was a long ditch that ran alongside the school, I got thrown in there -- with its three feet of slimy, trash-filled water -- at least once a week. I lost 8 or more backpacks in one year, couldn't own books, couldn't keep anything in my lockers. If I talked to someone and they didn't walk away, they got beat up. So no one talked to me. Ever.

After a few months this new kid showed up at school, and I struck up a conversation with him. It was my birthday, and he had a car, suggested we go drive up to Taco Bell at lunch. I was like "Cool, I'm making a friend." We got in his car and he drove me to a nearby parking lot, where a dozen guys -- the football team plus some hangers on -- were waiting. They opened the car door, pulled me out so that I was hanging upside down, tangled in the seatbelt, and started taking turns kicking me in the head, chest and throat, while slamming the car door on me. I broke two ribs, lost two teeth, and not a single person was even so much as suspended. They all vouched for each other. Nobody was there.

Yeah. That's enough. It was bad. I spent most of the years between 14 and 16 (when I finally changed schools) just wanting to die. Columbine happened shortly after I graduated, and I mostly felt sorry for the killers, and thanked God I didn't have access to real weapons. Because there were a lot of days I woke up and just wanted to hurt the people who were hurting me.

But years later, after a lot of therapy, I'm mostly over it. Mostly. Still can't fething stand bullies though. Don't have much respect for the people who just stand by and do nothing about it either.


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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

The thing about bullies is that you don't have to run faster than the bully, you just have to run faster than the slowest nerd.

Or, put differently, you just have to be less appealing than somebody else. Everyone gets bullied at some point, but I didn't deal with much. I was always tall, which helps. When I was a Freshman in HS, two sophomores were walking past me in the hall, and one shouldered me out of the way. I told him to 'watch it' or somesuch. He said 'Oh, man, are we gonna have to teach you a lesson?' I said something like 'I guess so.' They just sorta huffed off and never did anything. I didn't act tough, I didn't act scared, I just sorta didn't do much of anything, and it just wasn't interesting enough for them.

I broke two ribs, lost two teeth, and not a single person was even so much as suspended. They all vouched for each other. Nobody was there.

Jesus Christ, dude. No wonder you think the world is out to get you. Apparently for the duration of your high school experience, they actually were.

Do you have any insight at all as to why they hated you so much? I never really witnessed such unexplained cruelty in high school. People were certainly cruel, but they usually had some sort of rationalization for it. If a kid just sat there and took it, they'd usually get bored and look for somebody who would fight back, but not very well.

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die.

It's actually sort of the reverse of that. Because they have all those pads on, they can generally hit each other at speeds that would not be possible otherwise. The problem is that when you're playing at that level, and things go wrong, people get paralyzed.

It's not really that they're so much bigger, stronger or faster than top level rugby players, it's that they're playing with gear that lets them hit a lot harder. So, man to man, they're probably pretty similar. But, yeah, if you let a football team in full pads go after a rugby team in their normal kit, they'd be injured pretty quickly.

I got bullied quite a bit when I was in primary school. We moved around a lot, and I was always the nerdy kid, so there was never really a "We're tired of screwing with him." phase.

Eventually, my parents got tired of dealing with the associated issues and basically told me that I had to learn how to handle these issues myself. That was a blessing in the sense that it toughened me up (I was always really soft as a kid), and a curse in that it turned me into a bully for a couple of years. But, after I learned the limits of propriety, and we moved again, I didn't have nearly as many problems. Yeah, there was some ostracism in junior high for being the chubby kid who was good at school, but that dropped away when I got to high school and started getting into sports.

On football vs. Rugby: Phryxis has the right of it, though I'll also add that football players don't have to train nearly as much for endurance. As such, they're almost always, pound-for-pound, quicker and more powerful than Rugby players. The trade off being, obviously, that they can't maintain the same level of exertion for as long.

Gailbraithe wrote:I was bullied pretty bad my freshman year. On my first day of school in my first class I was the first person to arrive. The second was a girl. I said hello to her, she spit on my open history book. I called her a bitch under my breath. That afternoon a senior -- the school's quarterback, who was a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier than me - grabbed me after school and informed me that I had called his girlfriend a bitch. He tried to push me around, but I stood up for myself and gave a good show of it. So he called his friends over, and four guys beat the snot out of me.

That became pretty much a daily occurrence. There was a long ditch that ran alongside the school, I got thrown in there -- with its three feet of slimy, trash-filled water -- at least once a week. I lost 8 or more backpacks in one year, couldn't own books, couldn't keep anything in my lockers. If I talked to someone and they didn't walk away, they got beat up. So no one talked to me. Ever.

After a few months this new kid showed up at school, and I struck up a conversation with him. It was my birthday, and he had a car, suggested we go drive up to Taco Bell at lunch. I was like "Cool, I'm making a friend." We got in his car and he drove me to a nearby parking lot, where a dozen guys -- the football team plus some hangers on -- were waiting. They opened the car door, pulled me out so that I was hanging upside down, tangled in the seatbelt, and started taking turns kicking me in the head, chest and throat, while slamming the car door on me. I broke two ribs, lost two teeth, and not a single person was even so much as suspended. They all vouched for each other. Nobody was there.

Yeah. That's enough. It was bad. I spent most of the years between 14 and 16 (when I finally changed schools) just wanting to die. Columbine happened shortly after I graduated, and I mostly felt sorry for the killers, and thanked God I didn't have access to real weapons. Because there were a lot of days I woke up and just wanted to hurt the people who were hurting me.

But years later, after a lot of therapy, I'm mostly over it. Mostly. Still can't fething stand bullies though. Don't have much respect for the people who just stand by and do nothing about it either.

Woah, that's fething grim. Sorry that happened to you, man.

@Phyrxis - I don't think it's particularly helpful to say 'why did they hate you so much?' - all internet squabbling aside, I can't imagine anything Gailbraithe could have done that would be so bad as to deserve such a beating. It's pretty tasteless to try and score points off it.

If that's not what you're doing then I apologise, but it could certainly be taken that way.

Gailbraithe wrote:I was bullied pretty bad my freshman year. On my first day of school in my first class I was the first person to arrive. The second was a girl. I said hello to her, she spit on my open history book. I called her a bitch under my breath. That afternoon a senior -- the school's quarterback, who was a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier than me - grabbed me after school and informed me that I had called his girlfriend a bitch. He tried to push me around, but I stood up for myself and gave a good show of it. So he called his friends over, and four guys beat the snot out of me.

That became pretty much a daily occurrence. There was a long ditch that ran alongside the school, I got thrown in there -- with its three feet of slimy, trash-filled water -- at least once a week. I lost 8 or more backpacks in one year, couldn't own books, couldn't keep anything in my lockers. If I talked to someone and they didn't walk away, they got beat up. So no one talked to me. Ever.

After a few months this new kid showed up at school, and I struck up a conversation with him. It was my birthday, and he had a car, suggested we go drive up to Taco Bell at lunch. I was like "Cool, I'm making a friend." We got in his car and he drove me to a nearby parking lot, where a dozen guys -- the football team plus some hangers on -- were waiting. They opened the car door, pulled me out so that I was hanging upside down, tangled in the seatbelt, and started taking turns kicking me in the head, chest and throat, while slamming the car door on me. I broke two ribs, lost two teeth, and not a single person was even so much as suspended. They all vouched for each other. Nobody was there.

Yeah. That's enough. It was bad. I spent most of the years between 14 and 16 (when I finally changed schools) just wanting to die. Columbine happened shortly after I graduated, and I mostly felt sorry for the killers, and thanked God I didn't have access to real weapons. Because there were a lot of days I woke up and just wanted to hurt the people who were hurting me.

But years later, after a lot of therapy, I'm mostly over it. Mostly. Still can't fething stand bullies though. Don't have much respect for the people who just stand by and do nothing about it either.


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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

Gailbraithe Is that you? You're back!?! I haven't seen you in such a long time on DakkaDakka. There was even a thread that talked about how much we missed you.

I was bullied. I finally fought him. He quit bullying me.

I've only had a handfull of experiences with being bullied and it was never a group which bullied me. Come to think of it, bullying didn't happen much at all at any of the schools I went to. Usually what would happen is I'd get made fun of, I would talk back and the bully would threaten to beat me up. I take a step forward, tell him to get started, stare at him for a minute then go about my business.

Only once did it ever go beyond words. The guy starting throwing stuff at me like yogurt, half eaten fruit, ketchup, etc. One time walking home from school he covered me with shaving gel. After a few weeks, once I realized this game wasn't gonna get boring to him, I walked up to him and told him if he didn't stop I was gonna punch him in the face. He didn't take it seriously I guess because he did it again and I carried through with my threat. I was left alone after that.

From my limited experience, a bully working alone relies on his ability to intimidate. Calling him out on his threats or fighting back with your words or fists (if it ever goes that far) will end it right then and there. A group of bullies is a totally different beast.

I was pretty much bullied till my junior year. Senior year not at all(cept by friends. but it was all fun and games) I was bullied becuase i was an outcast. I sometime wish i could habe beat them but then i would be in worse trouble then the guy bulling me. The bulling and teasing has what had made me so insecure and unable to ask out someone for a date and stuff like that. afraid of being made fun of if i did.

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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

Well you have to take into account that those two 300 pound guys would proably have a hard time running a mile under 8 minutes. Even the biggest fowards in professional rugby have way higher endurance than your typical NFL lineman. If yout took the Cowboys and had them play against a team like the All Blacks or Springboks, you would have a dead football team by the first half.

A rugby game is 80 minutes of continous play. By the end of that your 300 pound linemen would have all died of exhaustion, heart attack, what have you.

Hmmm. If I'm right, then it's the armour in Girlsball that allows the more aggressive play, rather than the aggressive play coming first?

Allow Rugby players to wear girly armour, and they'll be hitting each other with their legs. After they've been ripped off.

I was bullied.

Then I manned up and kicked the crap out of my bullies.

The bullying stopped.

.....not much else to say on the matter.

Mr Mystery wrote:Hmmm. If I'm right, then it's the armour in Girlsball that allows the more aggressive play, rather than the aggressive play coming first?

Allow Rugby players to wear girly armour, and they'll be hitting each other with their legs. After they've been ripped off.

Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself my good sir.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:
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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

Well you have to take into account that those two 300 pound guys would proably have a hard time running a mile under 8 minutes. Even the biggest fowards in professional rugby have way higher endurance than your typical NFL lineman. If yout took the Cowboys and had them play against a team like the All Blacks or Springboks, you would have a dead football team by the first half.

A rugby game is 80 minutes of continous play. By the end of that your 300 pound linemen would have all died of exhaustion, heart attack, what have you.

Not quite. The rugby team would be in the hospital by the 3rd down due to massive trauma. Some may show signs of being partially eaten as well.

If it's a question of physical toughnes, rugby players definitely win. Not only are professional rugby players super strong, they can also run circles around your typical football player.

And mental toughness also goes to the rugby players. We've had guys play with broken arms and still kick the gak out of the other team. My friend's dad played in south africa and he played with a fractured verterbra. Never seen a football player do that.


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rubiksnoob wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:
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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

Well you have to take into account that those two 300 pound guys would proably have a hard time running a mile under 8 minutes. Even the biggest fowards in professional rugby have way higher endurance than your typical NFL lineman. If yout took the Cowboys and had them play against a team like the All Blacks or Springboks, you would have a dead football team by the first half.

A rugby game is 80 minutes of continous play. By the end of that your 300 pound linemen would have all died of exhaustion, heart attack, what have you.

Not quite. The rugby team would be in the hospital by the 3rd down due to massive trauma. Some may show signs of being partially eaten as well.

There aren't downs in rugby frazz continuous play means continuous play.

rubiksnoob wrote:If it's a question of physical toughnes, rugby players definitely win. Not only are professional rugby players super strong, they can also run circles around your typical football player.

And mental toughness also goes to the rugby players. We've had guys play with broken arms and still kick the gak out of the other team. My friend's dad played in south africa and he played with a fractured verterbra. Never seen a football player do that.


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rubiksnoob wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:
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Commissar NIkev wrote:Well, from what little I know of Rugby, comparing it to foot ball is like,

Two hand tag football or
BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think Rugby wins

Compared to real football, rugby is a pansy sport. Footballers have to wear all that gear because if they didn't they would die. Seriously. Two 300 pound guys slamming into each other as fast and as hard as they can, that will totally break bones. Like in the neck. If you took the dirtiest, low-down nasty rugby players and sent them up against the Detroit Lions, or god forbid the Dallas Cowboys, you'd have a dead rugby team by first down. Those little rugby scrums look all vicious and nasty, but they simply do not hit each other with the kind of power and force that is every single hit in American football.

(And I say this as a person who fething loathes American football and thinks its the most tedious game ever invented by man.)

Well you have to take into account that those two 300 pound guys would proably have a hard time running a mile under 8 minutes. Even the biggest fowards in professional rugby have way higher endurance than your typical NFL lineman. If yout took the Cowboys and had them play against a team like the All Blacks or Springboks, you would have a dead football team by the first half.

A rugby game is 80 minutes of continous play. By the end of that your 300 pound linemen would have all died of exhaustion, heart attack, what have you.

Not quite. The rugby team would be in the hospital by the 3rd down due to massive trauma. Some may show signs of being partially eaten as well.

There aren't downs in rugby frazz continuous play means continuous play.

Blah Blah our kickers are bigger than your largest players. Our linemen have been mistaken for Mack Trucks, and thats just my boy's high school football team (seriously its front line averages 305 lbs).

rubiksnoob wrote:If it's a question of physical toughnes, rugby players definitely win. Not only are professional rugby players super strong, they can also run circles around your typical football player.

What position are we talking about?

I mean, if you're comparing a Rugby player to someone like Vince Wilfork you're probably right. Someone like Troy Palomalu or Randy Moss I'm not so sure.

I was bullied once. It was pretty bad, and I still have the behavioural tics left over from it. You know, the difficulty of looking anyone in the eye, that sort of thing.
Well, it sort of ended in the beginning of year 8 (not sure what that is in the US) when the arse behind it decided it would be funny to attempt to beat me up with his friends watching after school. I guess he just pushed it a little too far, 'cause I snapped and ended up throttling him. His friends broke it up, and he left, crying about how he was "leaving because he was the bigger man."
I'm still slightly ashamed that I tried to strangle him, but I guess it had got so far that it was inevitable I'd snap.

So yeah, bullied.

What the feth has Rugby got to do with anything?

Start a 'which is better Rugby or American Football?' thread. That way I'll be able to avoid it.

Phryxis wrote:Do you have any insight at all as to why they hated you so much? I never really witnessed such unexplained cruelty in high school. People were certainly cruel, but they usually had some sort of rationalization for it. If a kid just sat there and took it, they'd usually get bored and look for somebody who would fight back, but not very well.

They didn't hate me. When it started, I fought back -- my dad is a Green beret, he taught me how to defend myself, and not to brag but I've never lost a fight that was one-on-one -- and that only made them come after me harder. I actually embarrassed and humiliated quite a few of them when they made the mistake of not ganging up on me. And I didn't take it quietly. These guys would come at me four or five at a time, and every time I would loudly point out that only a bunch of chickenshit cowards would attack a (already smaller) guy four to one. And I would say things like "Does pushing me around make up for your feelings of inadequacy about your small dick?" and the like.

So, you know, I made for an entertaining victim. It's basically the same reason people like you and dogma keep starting gak with me. You're the kind of person who thinks that an "entertaining" response to harassment and antagonism justifies the harassment and antagonism. You want to know why bullies bully? Look inside yourself, you know the answer.

But the reason it just never stopped and kept going on was two-fold: 1) these guys were mostly all on the football team, and 2) the principal was the former football coach and a huge supporter of the team. So basically his response to me getting attacked was to blame me and suspend me, and what that did was send a message to these kids that bullying me was acceptable. And because high school is stressful for everyone, and because the school administrators had basically said "beat the gak out of this kid every day, and we'll only punish him for it," beating me up became an outlet for their stress. At some point it stopped being about anything, there wasn't any reason. It was its own reason, it was just habit.

A few years ago I was walking down a street and this car pulled up alongside me, and it was one of these guys. And at first I got scared, but he just wanted to apologize for how he'd treated me. And I asked him why he'd done it -- I mean, I had never even talked to this guy except when he was attacking me, and had never done anything to him -- and he didn't know. He did it because its what they did. Because, when you get right down to it, human beings are gak. Unless people make a real effort to be good, they're just gak.

It's just how human societies function. Rather than deal with their own gak, people find a scapegoat and attack that. In high school, it's some kid. As grown ups, our stressed-out bullies become Republicans and attack gay people's right to marry, or attack the poor, or troll forums from anominity (if they're particularly cowardly). Anything to avoid dealing with the real problems that actually cause the stress, which would generally require going after people with actual power.

Cheesecat wrote:Gailbraithe Is that you? You're back!?! I haven't seen you in such a long time on DakkaDakka. There was even a thread that talked about how much we missed you.

Blame killkrazy. He's the one who keeps banning me for responding to dogma and Phyrxis's BS.

Well, the second post G-Bizzle makes calls someone a pathetic dork, out of nowhere.

And Killkrazy is a tyrant for banning you?

With a chainsaw.

Monster Rain wrote:Well, the second post G-Bizzle makes calls someone a pathetic dork, out of nowhere.

It wasn't out of nowhere. But I fixed it for you.

And Killkrazy is a tyrant for banning you?

No, but he is a bad moderator for not also banning Phyrxis and dogma.

And you.

I mean, here you are, trying to start gak with me. Breaking Rule #1. I've just reported you. Watch what happens.

It'll be nothing.

Come on guys, back on topic. We were talking about rugby.

Not to seem an arse, but can we please not have a flamewar in here? It would be kinda ironic, considering the nature of the thread.
*ducks from any possible flak*

You reported me... for what, exactly? For pointing out that you're again attempting to derail a thread with personal attacks?

You're certifiable, bro.

ALL Moderation on this site is handled PRIVATELY, for the most part.

Yes, there are public warnings but aside from that you WILL NOT KNOW if someone has been warned, suspended or banned.

Following the rules of this site, well, it really isn't that difficult.

Ok chaps, how about 'let's not', eh?