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Oh no, it's definitely out in the States.

Provided you preordered via the Black Library website.

Well, I didn't do that!

I'm certainly moving it up to position #1 on the "Read the second I have my hands on it" list though.

Which, sadly, doesn't look like it will be until, ugh!, the end of October!

Even if the emperor survived the heresy (which in this fun little scenario he has) I still don't think the imperium would have completely beat the forces of chaos I mean in fantasy after one of the bringers of the end times fails and dies some years later the chaos gods get someone new to fill his place and come to think about it each of the chosen champions of the dark gods (I don't mean every champion of chaos just arcaron and his like) are stronger than the last Arcaron is the strongest so far and he is like the seventh dude so eventually what would happen IMHO would be abbadon would launch a new heresy (horus heresy mark 2) then he would die fighting the emperor (maybe even be responsible for putting the emperor in the throne) or eventually a new dude would arrive even stronger than all the others and lay waste to the imperium.

lordofcross wrote:Even if the emperor survived the heresy (which in this fun little scenario he has) I still don't think the imperium would have completely beat the forces of chaos I mean in fantasy after one of the bringers of the end times fails and dies some years later the chaos gods get someone new to fill his place and come to think about it each of the chosen champions of the dark gods (I don't mean every champion of chaos just arcaron and his like) are stronger than the last Arcaron is the strongest so far and he is like the seventh dude so eventually what would happen IMHO would be abbadon would launch a new heresy (horus heresy mark 2) then he would die fighting the emperor (maybe even be responsible for putting the emperor in the throne) or eventually a new dude would arrive even stronger than all the others and lay waste to the imperium.

I don't think that if the Emperor had lived the traitor legions would just up and die, they would still present a clear and present danger to the Imperium, with renegades and rebels traveling to follow their banners. But with the Emperor in a fully competent state and the lack of the cult of the Emperor, the fight against chaos would be more logical, structured and effective, with less corruption from within. From what is presented in fluff the Emperor was more interested in serving humanity not having it serve him, it could be said that it is this flip in the ideology (with the Emperor worshipped, with every life believed to be owned by him and even living off the life energy of his more warp inclined citizens) that has lead to the spread of chaos (when you are deemed as meaningless compared to the emperor the chaos gods give a glimpse of self power).

In this what if scenario the wounds of the heresy would heal faster and the Emperor would lead a second age of greatness to rebuilt. he wouldn't have allowed to stagnation and superstion present in 'our' imperium to occur

reds8n wrote:

Melissia wrote:Again, what he denounced is irrelevant. If you haven't paid attention, politicians quite commonly say one thing and do another.

Please explain the Emperors public censure of the Word Bearers then.

Please explain why he had the Ultramarines destroy the city of Monarchia precisely because the citizens, after instruction from the Word Bearers, were worshipping him as a God.

Please explain then why he sent out teams of Custodes to accompany the Word Bearers to double check that they had learnt their lesson and were no longer proclaiming the Emperor as divine.

Vaguely back towards topic...

.I would suggest that the Imperium still would have been torn asunder. Lorgar was a chaos worshipper a good forty years before Horus' rebellion,a nd he and his legion had already done much towards undermining the nascent Imperium.

Indeed, given the genesis of the Primarchs one could argue perhaps that a rebellion was inevitable. Bear in mind that prior to Horus' rebellion they had already been forced to deal with two errant sons.

You can't explain it.

The Emperor simply set himself up as an example for humanity to follow.

The Primarchs would've rebelled without the influence of Chaos eventually. Someone with their amount of power will one day desire to become the master.

I think things would still be fairly similar to how they are now. Yes the Emperor is a serious bad ass, but he still is one guy. I think the Tau would pop up like normal, and theyd still be a small blip on the map, so ignored because Orks and Nids are going flying rodent gak crazy everywhere else. The chaos guys would still be doing their thing. Im pretty sure not a whole lot would of changed. The Marines fighting by the Emperors side would indeed fight like demons, but the ones that are stretched WAY out somewhere else will still lose moral and blah blah blah.

I dont think it would be too much different. Other then the Space Marines codices would have a are you kidding me HQ

Amaya wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Melissia wrote:Again, what he denounced is irrelevant. If you haven't paid attention, politicians quite commonly say one thing and do another.

Please explain the Emperors public censure of the Word Bearers then.

Please explain why he had the Ultramarines destroy the city of Monarchia precisely because the citizens, after instruction from the Word Bearers, were worshipping him as a God.

Please explain then why he sent out teams of Custodes to accompany the Word Bearers to double check that they had learnt their lesson and were no longer proclaiming the Emperor as divine.

Vaguely back towards topic...

.I would suggest that the Imperium still would have been torn asunder. Lorgar was a chaos worshipper a good forty years before Horus' rebellion,a nd he and his legion had already done much towards undermining the nascent Imperium.

Indeed, given the genesis of the Primarchs one could argue perhaps that a rebellion was inevitable. Bear in mind that prior to Horus' rebellion they had already been forced to deal with two errant sons.

You can't explain it.

The Emperor simply set himself up as an example for humanity to follow.

The Primarchs would've rebelled without the influence of Chaos eventually. Someone with their amount of power will one day desire to become the master.

I can explain it...

The Emperor had already tried the "Good" way, when he guided Mankind during the Dark Age of Technology. He realized Mankind was going to be in the same peril the Eldar were as they started to grow decadent. He saw the same future for Mankind as soon as there were enough human psychics. He knew he couldn't stop Man from becoming psychic, and indeed wanted for Man to become psychic.

So, he hits the reset button and weakens mankind enough to go into the Age of Strife by making the Iron Men rebel. He knows the Human worlds will be cut off by the growing warp storms. He knows Chaos will believe they have a victory.

He needed a plan to fool Chaos and get them off his back. The Horus Heresy... keeps everyone busy and then he has lots of quiet time on the Golden Throne to dink about in the Warp, gathering the growing number of Human souls that survive death. Saving them, so he could build an army.

He had to pretend he was going to rebuild his empire the "Good" way. What better way than to go with the former Utopian platitudes. But his real plan had changed... and it wasn't pretty.



To answer the original poster. If the Emperor had won the Heresy, the Chaos gods would have never left him alone, and Humanity would be in greater danger of psychic implosion.

Warprat

I can explain it...

The Emperor had already tried the "Good" way, when he guided Mankind during the Dark Age of Technology. He realized Mankind was going to be in the same peril the Eldar were as they started to grow decadent. He saw the same future for Mankind as soon as there were enough human psychics. He knew he couldn't stop Man from becoming psychic, and indeed wanted for Man to become psychic.

So, he hits the reset button and weakens mankind enough to go into the Age of Strife by making the Iron Men rebel. He knows the Human worlds will be cut off by the growing warp storms. He knows Chaos will believe they have a victory.

He needed a plan to fool Chaos and get them off his back. The Horus Heresy... keeps everyone busy and then he has lots of quiet time on the Golden Throne to dink about in the Warp, gathering the growing number of Human souls that survive death. Saving them, so he could build an army.

He had to pretend he was going to rebuild his empire the "Good" way. What better way than to go with the former Utopian platitudes. But his real plan had changed... and it wasn't pretty.



To answer the original poster. If the Emperor had won the Heresy, the Chaos gods would have never left him alone, and Humanity would be in greater danger of psychic implosion.

Warprat

Chaos, seeing the Emperor as a threat would continue to try and kill the emperor. This would probably lead to another primarch or someone of power being corrupted. Basically things would be like what they are now, but slightly better.