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Stelek seems to know what he's talking about.

It's nice to see the spin machine is making the outcome of the alleged "Clash of the 40k Titans( ) seem to be different than it was though. I think an unbiased reading of said reports give a pretty clear indicator of who was in control of that game, and yes I'm mildly disgusted with myself for having taken the time to do so.

How about we let Stelek do Stelek, and let Dakka do Dakka? Just thinking out loud here.

Meh.
I have won games in tourny play with craptastics lists and tactics but otherworldly dice rolls. Anytime you toss any kind of randomizer into the mix weird things can happen.

Not saying Stelek isn't winning with his list/tactics..... just there is a LUCK element involved as well.

Hulksmash wrote:I personally don't call SW's lists easy mode. I've had almost as much success with my Daemons and Nids to date this year. And I put a hell of a lot more work into tweaking my wolves than I have either of my other armies so far. SW's are just pure murder on your lists Blackmoor. But your lists are murder on other armies so chill on the SW's are OP rant. I barely lost to Reece's tuned and tweaked SW's while playing daemons and getting straight boned on rolls (his words, not mine). SW's are a good, solid book. But so are all the 5th ed. codexes and some of the 4th.

Then we will have to disagree on the power of the codex.

And haven't half of the Golden Tickets to the LVGT been to Space Wolves in the last 6 months?

ph34r wrote:Stelek was the newer version of the whole "internet toughguy that trash talks but is actually good"
Except, he has never actually proven how good he is, and he trash talks way more than the average trash talker.
He is extremely unwilling to admit when he is at fault, and his goons act pretty brain dead with the effort that they go thorough to not question him, and to denounce "haters".

that somes up precisely why I don't like/ respect Stelek. he could win every tournament from here to shanghai without ever losing a model and the fact that he's a real jerk would make me look elsewhere for my gaming advice...

Stelek is right a lot, wrong quite a bit, and an asshat all of the time.

He is rude and condescending, and his abrasive, hurtful posts got him banned (good.)

He is not the wonderboy his posse thinks he is, and it hurts to see all the kids swinging from his nutsack. Do not be impressed by this semi - talented internet bully. I for one am glad he is gone.

He must be doing something right, to have a bunch of strangers discussing his prowess at Space Barbies on a site that he's banned from.

Monster Rain wrote:He must be doing something right, to have a bunch of strangers discussing his prowess at Space Barbies on a site that he's banned from.

Nerds need Heros I guess...

Just rememeber kids ty soldier are s3rious buisn3ss111

CT GAMER wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:He must be doing something right, to have a bunch of strangers discussing his prowess at Space Barbies on a site that he's banned from.

Nerds need Heros I guess...

Just rememeber kids ty soldier are s3rious buisn3ss111

So you're seriously going to post on a games workshop discussion forum about how you are just the right amount of nerd?

To those whining about rudeness/bluntness on the internet: really?

Fearspect wrote:



So you're seriously going to post on a games workshop discussion forum about how you are just the right amount of nerd?

To those whining about rudeness/bluntness on the internet: really?

Yes I will go on record as saying that I find grown men chest thumping about how good they are at toy soldiers to be more nerd then I care to be.

Even if I won every game I played I would hope I would also retain just a tad bit of modesty about said fact...

For those speculating on/interested in the results of this weekend, Stelek made it through to the championships at Battle for Salvation. His only lost after 7 games was to Mike Brandt in the finals.

yup : ) I saw that on steleks blog

Grats to MVB for taking it home though. Good on him! And congrats on Stelek for making it that far. And even bigger Congrats to Danny for running a successful event!

Mike Brandt, the organizer of the Nova Open? Wow not bad, not bad at all! It's pretty cool if someone organizes a major tourney, then wins another a few months later!

Stelek is brash with his talk and oftentimes an donkey-cave about some things but the guy knows something about the game. He grew up in an environment where "F U" was a greeting and I have hung-out with enough armed forces people so I know where he is coming from.

Recently on YTTH, he has improved his mannerisms very much and the guy is very easy to talk to. He has also allowed people such as myself, Timmah, and others to post for him so if you dont like him atleast take a look at what Timmah or Purgatus are talking about. Danny Internets as well has a great blog about stuff and of course DashofPepper's gaming antics to provide some light hearted fun.

Congrats on Mike Brandt

I'm sorry, but someone who comes up with a brutal Razor-spam, ML-spam Space Wolves list and has the foul mouth and bad attitude to back it up has not yet earned the right to be the ITG tactics buff.

Blackmoor wrote:I think a lot of his success comes from him playing Space Wolves. That army is tough to beat, and it is like playing in easy mode. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he should play another codex (Tau) and win. If he can win with an army other than the best build in the hardest army, then I will be impressed.

Note that the first time he went up against another SW army he lost due to his horrible tactics.

And if you look at my signature, you will see why the events that he plays in highly favors his armies.

Frazzled wrote:

Polonius wrote:

DooDoo wrote:Does Stellies continued success at competitive events demonstrate that he is as good as he claims and the naysayers are merely throwing mud? By success I am referring to his 3rd place at Nova and his undefeated day 1 at the battle for salvation (with wins against jaw and Danny inter webs)?

So if I take 2nd at a GT and win my first four games at another will that make me an even bigger tactical genius?

So has Stelek actually won any tournaments or awards at tournaments (other than ones he's made up)?


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kill dem stunties wrote:Haters gonna hate, thats all.

A lot of people dont like stelek because he doesnt sugarcoat everything and make it rated pg.

99% of the people who whine and hate on stelek would get crushed in a best of round against him.

No he wasn't polite. Thats why they can's astand him. Much like most donkey-caves are not liked.

Seriously boys, get over yourselves. Dude's a good player no matter how much you want to say he isn't.

Oh, also, inb4thelock and possible month ban. Snoogans

Pika_power wrote:To his credit, Stelek keeps all his mudslinging wargame related. He may go off on tangents, but he doesn't insult people for non-wargame related topics. Yes, he'll happily critique lists when they haven't been presented by their owners, and some may view that as unfair, but it all is connected to the game, and list building.

Hmm. Andy Sutton has an entire blog post dedicated to making fun of one of my posts. He even has a nasty nick-name for my advice. I'm hoping that he's simply disagreeing with my quoted conclusions in his own special way. Mind you, I think he's an inarticulate buffoon, so I suppose fair's fair.

So hold on a second...

We have a post asking people if a dude that does semi-well at some of the larger tournies that dishes out rude and overly abrasive list comments toward people who might not exactly play "competatively"... And now we have people trying to vindicate him of these and say "well, he does well, so his advice should be somewhat adhered to"?

To me, if the guys an ass, thats all there is to it. As someone previously said, its not whats said 90% of the time, its how its said. I know my advice might not be for everyone, so I offer it in a manner thats more "well, maybe you should try..." than "are you a moron do this!".

Simply put, reading some of this guys advice, I agree: I don't care how well he does at any tournie, I'd never listen to a guy who puts things the way he does. I'd be more likely to listen to a guy who beats me and nicely gives input than tears me down and makes me feel less of my self.

Its just army men.

Danny Internets wrote:For those speculating on/interested in the results of this weekend, Stelek made it through to the championships at Battle for Salvation. His only lost after 7 games was to Mike Brandt in the finals.

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if you had gone first, but fate did not smile on you.

That is what happens when you have 2 alpha strike armies going at it, the game is often determined by one dice roll.

Blackmoor:

It's the player's choice to bring an Alpha Strike army. If you roll-off to see who won with Rock, then you can hardly dismiss the outcome as depending on the die because you chose the strategy that lead to the outcome depending on a single roll. You could have, to extend the RSP analogy, have brought Paper if you were willing to risk the popularity of Scissors.

Blackmoor wrote:

That is what happens when you have 2 alpha strike armies going at it, the game is often determined by one dice roll.

Damn 2 of the same armys, really? what a surprise!...

I think this thread was just asking for trouble - it is clear to me in my short stay so far at dakka that Stelek is a polarizing figure. People will defend him that appreciate his tactics, and people will not regard him as a valued member of the online 40k community for equally valid reasons. As someone who has picked up some good bits of info from his site, but also has had some issues with his language I can see where both groups are coming from. That being said, it is clear in his last two outings he knows what he's doing.

I do think it is interesting that a Mod would post on such a potentially inflammatory thread in such a potentially inflammatory manner. A little different than some of the stricter mod'ing teams out there like Warseer I suppose.

I don't think this thread really needed to be made. If you wanted coverage of the Battle for Salvation, Danny Internets was covering it, Stelek did so as well, and we have a thread dedicated to that.

IMO, Stelek can do what he wants on the internet and if people don't like it, say it somewhere where he can actually respond back. As far as I know, he doesn't come to DakkaDakka.

TimmyMWD wrote:
I do think it is interesting that a Mod would post on such a potentially inflammatory thread in such a potentially inflammatory manner. A little different than some of the stricter mod'ing teams out there like Warseer I suppose.

You must be new here.

I've called him out on his site once before when he was trying to cover up where he was blatantly wrong. He moderates all the comments there before they appear: if he doesn't like what you would say, he doesn't let it get posted.

Nurglitch wrote:

Pika_power wrote:To his credit, Stelek keeps all his mudslinging wargame related. He may go off on tangents, but he doesn't insult people for non-wargame related topics. Yes, he'll happily critique lists when they haven't been presented by their owners, and some may view that as unfair, but it all is connected to the game, and list building.

Hmm. Andy Sutton has an entire blog post dedicated to making fun of one of my posts. He even has a nasty nick-name for my advice. I'm hoping that he's simply disagreeing with my quoted conclusions in his own special way. Mind you, I think he's an inarticulate buffoon, so I suppose fair's fair.

That matches up with what I'm saying. You posted some advice, he insulted you over it. He's not a saint, and makes enemies unnecessarily. In many cases, the criticism against him is valid, and he should tone it down a bit. But he sticks to insulting you over your advice, and not anything else. He doesn't pull people up for their style, their painting or their personal life, and AFAIK, he allows people to have their say on his blog, so if you want to try to defend your name, you're able to go over there and stir up an argument. Can't say the same for him coming here though.

In contrast to Stelek's on-topic manner, very few people insult Stelek's advice, and instead attack his method of delivering it, his tournament record, or discredit him in other ways.

Make of that what you will.

Pika_power wrote:AFAIK, he allows people to have their say on his blog, so if you want to try to defend your name, you're able to go over there and stir up an argument.

Nope

ph34r wrote:I've called him out on his site once before when he was trying to cover up where he was blatantly wrong. He moderates all the comments there before they appear: if he doesn't like what you would say, he doesn't let it get posted.

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Pika_power wrote:That matches up with what I'm saying. You posted some advice, he insulted you over it

This is the point at which a normal person would identify Stelek as having issues. His mental process is Disagree with someone -> Insult that person both on his argument and on whatever ad hominem you can think of.

Hey MODs, isn't attacking someone who can't defend themselves against the rules here?

Better yet, isn't attacking someone period against the rules?

How about one of the two of you who have blasted Andrew in this post do your jobs and enforce the rules?

In contrast to Stelek's on-topic manner, very few people insult Stelek's advice, and instead attack his method of delivering it, his tournament record, or discredit him in other ways.

Make of that what you will.

I don't know about that. I disagree with alot of his thinking.

I think a lot of his advice is shortsighted..largely because he doesn't take other views into account...

The biggest one that popped into my mind was that whole debacle about orks sucking.

I would like to point out that Stelek is:

1-1 against Space Wolves
1-1 Against IG

Not too good of a record against the 2 best codexes out there.

But the good news is that he is:
Witchhunters 1-0
Chaos 1-0