Chaos Emperor God, and his Champion, Xenon

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**purplefood**

Why is his leadership 12?
Why not just make him fearless?
Or immune to leadership tests?

**Retrias**

liam0404 wrote:I WAS going to post this yesterday, but Dakka was down.

Ok, the time for being nice and polite about this is over. You FAIL at character design, and here is why(oh, and this is assuming that some scenarios below get past the RIDICLOUS aura of evil rule)

1) 10 Terminators charge this thing. Lets say that 7 survive to attack with powerfists. Since they dont get bonus attacks for charging, thats 14 attacks. On 5's to hit, thats 4/5 hits. They then need SIXES to wound. So lets say thats 1 wound. Which you get a 2+/4+ against. Ridiculous.

2)It is immune to guns strength and lower. Assault cannons would need to rend, but they would be next to useless as well.

3) Aura of evil basically prevents people from moving. So this guy can theoretically decide to pick off squads if and when he likes? ridiculous.

4) If somehow he DID,get into trouble in close combat he can leave and then nuke that unit with the tzeentch or nurgle ranged weapon (which I noticed was an auto hit btw, again cheesy)

5)Pariahs could work against him as warscycthes ignore all saves.... o wait, toughness 10, my bad. Toughness 10? SERIOUSLY? The only reason that the C'tan got T10 was because there was a precedent for it in the wraithlord.[u]

6)Each of his one use skills has the potential to wipe out one unit. Thats liek 4 free kill points before the game has even started. How is that fair?

7) As you seem to be editing your description with each critique that's made, the only thing that has a chance of killing it outright are either vortex grenades or a Shokk Attack Gun. Ridiculous.

8) Regen. Really?

You need some serious lessons in character design my friend - this is going to do nothing but piss people off, which is why I offered the alternative of Daemonic Abbadon as a starting point. Maybe this thread is a troll to see how many players will get annoyed - well if it is I consider myself trolled

that and it's a farking GOD, weakened god suuuureee, but GOD, this guy is the avatar of a chaos god, which mean lower than the actual chaos god, this chaos champion can kick any unit including said GODS butts across the whole board, i would sacrifice ALL of my army, it will be fraking worth it

**Mr. Burning**

I'm surprised that none has mentioned Malal as already being the 5th god of chaos....

Damnit!

**purplefood**

Mr. Burning wrote:I'm surprised that none has mentioned Malal as already being the 5th god of chaos....

Damnit!

Shush.
They'll get y-

**Retrias**

didn't Malal got Retconned?
i am a bit new at this new Malal thing, all i knew that he used to be one of the chaos god, of indiscrimination, which mean he hates everyone

**Asherian Command**

OMG THEY ARE AFTER ME!
Anyway other chaos gods I thought there were only 5?

**Devastator**

Asherian Command wrote:OMG THEY ARE AFTER ME!
Anyway other chaos gods I thought there were only 5?

there is only 5 big chaos gods and few minor chaos gods on top

**Asherian Command**

Who is the fifth and who are the others?!?!?!
I must devour more lore.

**purplefood**

5?
Slannesh, Tzeentch, Khorne and Nurgle.
That looks an awful lot like 4.
Obviously they all have different guises and aspects.

**Mr. Burning**

purplefood wrote:5?
Slannesh, Tzeentch, Khorne and Nurgle.
That looks an awful lot like 4.
Obviously they all have different guises and aspects.

Malal was the 5th Chaos God, of spite, malice, bad service, lost keys. He/She/It got a few lines back in the day and then was conveniently forgotten about.

**Asherian Command**

Damn. that stinks. I would love to read about the other Chaos Gods.

**purplefood**

Asherian Command wrote:Damn. that stinks. I would love to read about the other Chaos Gods.

There is a shgort story about Malal (his followers anyway) in the Heroes of the Space Marines book or is it Legends of the Space Marines?

**alexwars1**

Wasn't Malal divided into two parts, Zuvassin and Necoho? I remember Necoho being the god of atheism. Good times...

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

God only knows now, GW has done their best to eliminate him from the fluff. You'd be hard-pressed, I think, to find anything about him these days.

**ChrisWWII**

ATTENTION CITIZENS. CEASE AND DESIST YOUR DISCUSSION OF THE ALLEGED CHAOS GOD *CENSORED* AT ONCE. IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY, YOU WILL BE TERMINATED

Sincerely,
GW, Ordo Legalus

**Samus_aran115**

ph34r wrote:This fluff makes no sense what soever. The rules are convoluted and weird. I'm sorry but this strikes out on a fundamental level.

Yeah, this. Epic fail OP

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

ChrisWWII wrote: ATTENTION CITIZENS. CEASE AND DESIST YOUR DISCUSSION OF THE ALLEGED CHAOS GOD *CENSORED* AT ONCE. IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY, YOU WILL BE TERMINATED

Sincerely,
GW, Ordo Legalus

*eeps*
Quick, everybody act natural!

So yeah, OP, I think you need to work on this more. There still seems to be some major issues.

**The Night Stalker**

Successful troll is successful.

**Samus_aran115**

The Night Stalker wrote:Fail troll is fail.

Fixed that for you.

**ChrisWWII**

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

So yeah, OP, I think you need to work on this more. There still seems to be some major issues.

Fixed that for you.

**liam0404**

I want to put out more scenarios just to show what a stupid idea this is.

1) 60 Lootas, lets say they get lucky and get 3 shots each. 180 shots. 60 hits. Approx 9/10 wounds. Lets say he fails 2 saves, and passes one on FNP. YAY! a wound! Oh wait, regen, my mistake.

2) 40 Powerfist terminators assault. 80 attacks, 26/27 hits. 4 - 5 wounds. 2+/4+ should pass this no problem

3) Maybe, just MAYBE the Night bringer and the Deceiver could double team it. 10 attacks, 5 hits on averats, 2-3 wounds on average with no save. Even they would need 2/3 rounds of combat to do it

4)List of guns which the bastard is immune to; bolters, storm bolters, assault cannons (mostly), lasguns, heavy bolters, frag missiles, flamers, heavy flamers, warpfire, daemonic gaze, tau plasma guns, pulse rifles, pulse carbines, shuriken catapults, starcannons, scatter lasers, sonic blasters, sluggas, shootas, big shootas, snazzguns, doom sirens, havoc launchers, skorchas, grenade launcher, shotguns, bolt pistols, shuriken pistols, thinderfire cannon.

You;ve pretty much made this thing IMMUNE to most types of weapon. Do you see now how riduculous this character is?

**blood reaper**

Syrath saint of chaos 340pts

WS BS S T W I A LD SV 500pts
8 4 5 5 5 4 4 10 2+/4+

Daemonic gifts
Bolt of Tzeentch
Daemonic flight
Daemonic gaze
Breath of chaos
We are legion

Special rules
Daemon
Feel no pain
Blessed by the four
Syrath has the Blessing of the Blood God , Aura of Aquisance and Cloud of flies daemonic gifts.
Contracts of evil
Syrath may choose one enemy infantry unit within 16 inches , on a 4+ they are lured by a contract of his. The unit must take a leadership test 1- if failed roll a d6 , remove casulties equil to that number.
These are my rules for my lesser god , just a test and not even as over powerded as your god , nothing can kill your god baisicly not even turning him into chaos spawn with toughness 10!

**purplefood**

That's much more balanced.

**Samus_aran115**

liam0404 wrote:

I want to put out more scenarios just to show what a stupid idea this is.

1) 60 Lootas, lets say they get lucky and get 3 shots each. 180 shots. 60 hits. Approx 9/10 wounds. Lets say he fails 2 saves, and passes one on FNP. YAY! a wound! Oh wait, regen, my mistake.

2) 40 Powerfist terminators assault. 80 attacks, 26/27 hits. 4 - 5 wounds. 2+/4+ should pass this no problem

3) Maybe, just MAYBE the Night bringer and the Deceiver could double team it. 10 attacks, 5 hits on averats, 2-3 wounds on average with no save. Even they would need 2/3 rounds of combat to do it

4)List of guns which the bastard is immune to; bolters, storm bolters, assault cannons (mostly), lasguns, heavy bolters, frag missiles, flamers, heavy flamers, warpfire, daemonic gaze, tau plasma guns, pulse rifles, pulse carbines, shuriken catapults, starcannons, scatter lasers, sonic blasters, sluggas, shootas, big shootas, snazzguns, doom sirens, havoc launchers, skorchas, grenade launcher, shotguns, bolt pistols, shuriken pistols, thinderfire cannon.

You;ve pretty much made this thing IMMUNE to most types of weapon. Do you see now how riduculous this character is?

<3

You're the kind of people this world needs more of. People who use facts rather than opinion to prove others as fools.

**ChrisWWII**

Awwww, the OP got deleted.

Please tell me someone managed to copy it down!

**liam0404**

To the OP, if you can come up with a more realistic design, I'm sure we'd give it fair consideration

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@Samus

I'm being harsh I know..... it just gets to me!!

**Maledictus**

So was the OP trolling us or not? Seriously now I'm confused.

To whoever was asking what happened to malal IIRC the guy who created him left GW and claimed him as personal IP. GW lost the rights to the name and the assosiated charaters like kaleb wassisname the whfb chaos champ guy. The short story about the "Sons of Malice" in heroes of the space marines was a brief tip of the hat to malal. so malice=malal..sort of, frankly i doubt we'll hear much more about it.

**Samus_aran115**

liam0404 wrote:To the OP, if you can come up with a more realistic design, I'm sure we'd give it fair consideration

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@Samus

I'm being harsh I know..... it just gets to me!!

no.no.no. My good sir! You're being exactly how the world wants you to be, wot wot

**liam0404**

Can anyone think of anything else which could possibly kill it?

TIme for some points comparisons! Xenon equals...

161 orks
3.5 land raiders
24 terminators
4 bloodthirsters
57 pink horrors
4 monoliths

To name a few....

**ChrisWWII**

What points value was he up to? I thought he was up to 1500, in which case.....

3 Baneblades
2 Warhounds