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Frazzled wrote:
Indeed. Those small government, balanced budget crazies really are nuts aren't they.

Do you even know what 'small government' means?

Does anyone?

No, because its crap polemic used to dupe the mob into voting for someone.

Oh, and as regards balanced budgets, the government is not a corporation, and attempting to run it like one is folly.

Frazzled wrote:Why was Cat Stevens there? Didn't anyone tell the organizers about him?


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Kilkrazy wrote:Shout louder.

Fight unreasoning fear with facts.

A lot of the Tea Partiers appear to be froot loops because the things they are desperately concerned about simply don't exist outside their heads.

Indeed. Those small government, balanced budget crazies really are nuts aren't they.

The hell does small government and balanced budgets got to do with the tea party? Last I checked the only things they wanted cut was medicare and military spending and the only things they wanted expanded was medicare and and military spending.

Or do you seriously still think the tea party actually has a platform and coherent set of views?

Did it ever?



I'll have mine NATO thanks.

ShumaGorath wrote:Or do you seriously still think the tea party actually has a platform and coherent set of views?

"Obama sucks" is a 100% legitimate political platform with as much depth and thought provoking points as any other.

I hate both parties. Too many commericals and alot of saying we will do this.
Why can't they just do?!

Stewart gave great line on his show one time, “I may disagree with you, but I’m pretty sure you’re not Hitler” and that was his intended point with the rally.

I disagree with the Tea Party on just about everything, I think the US can only move to long term sustainable budgets through military cuts and, more importantly, tax increases, so I think in terms of policy we’re pretty directly opposed. But it doesn’t make us mortal enemies, we just have a disagreement on the best approach to government spending.

The way to solve that is through debate, and the reality is that right now that debate just doesn’t exist in the US, because it better suits the media as screaming matches rate better than debate, and it’s also just plain easier than actually having to, you know, research a topic substantively. It doesn’t hurt the politicians either, who find it much easier to maintain shallow talking points in the context of screaming matches than it would be if they were engaged in substantive debate.

The Tea Party, more than anything, is a product of that environment, as are the clowns at Move On and any other liberal equivalents. And none of them represent any real solution, they’re just anger and vitriol that’s doing well in a media environment that seeks out anger and vitriol, and runs as fast as it can from debate on the actual issues.

Man I hate Canada! I have to wait till 12 to watch the daily show.

No, I mean that if you examine the US budget figures for the years 1974 (when formal budgeting started) to 2011 (projected) you see that most years in which the deficit was twice as bad as average it was under a Republican president, while in most years when the deficit was lower that that, or non-existent (i.e. a surplus) it was under a Democrat president.

I made a PDF but we can't upload documents.

Kilkrazy wrote:No, I mean that if you examine the US budget figures for the years 1974 (when formal budgeting started) to 2011 (projected) you see that most years in which the deficit was twice as bad as average it was under a Republican president, while in most years when the deficit was lower that that, or non-existent (i.e. a surplus) it was under a Democrat president.

I made a PDF but we can't upload documents.

Theres a point at which you should understand that no amount of convincing, charts, reality, or explanation will sway someone. Fraz practically lives in that zone of incorruptible faith.

ShumaGorath wrote:Theres a point at which you should understand that no amount of convincing, charts, reality, or explanation will sway someone. Fraz practically lives in that zone of incorruptible faith.

But more importantly, it’s only part of the answer. Sure, it’s silly to think that voting in a Republican will produce budget surpluses, because the platform Republicans have been running unchanged since Reagan simply isn’t capable of producing surpluses, but that doesn’t mean a Democrat will fix anything.

The solution to the problems of the major parties is not to keep switching between them.

sebster wrote:Stewart gave great line on his show one time, “I may disagree with you, but I’m pretty sure you’re not Hitler” and that was his intended point with the rally.

I disagree with the Tea Party on just about everything, I think the US can only move to long term sustainable budgets through military cuts and, more importantly, tax increases, so I think in terms of policy we’re pretty directly opposed. But it doesn’t make us mortal enemies, we just have a disagreement on the best approach to government spending.

The way to solve that is through debate, and the reality is that right now that debate just doesn’t exist in the US, because it better suits the media as screaming matches rate better than debate, and it’s also just plain easier than actually having to, you know, research a topic substantively. It doesn’t hurt the politicians either, who find it much easier to maintain shallow talking points in the context of screaming matches than it would be if they were engaged in substantive debate.

The Tea Party, more than anything, is a product of that environment, as are the clowns at Move On and any other liberal equivalents. And none of them represent any real solution, they’re just anger and vitriol that’s doing well in a media environment that seeks out anger and vitriol, and runs as fast as it can from debate on the actual issues.

The Tea Party does not care if you disagree (unless you're sending money through a union). As a non-voter, you are completely irrelevant.


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ShumaGorath wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:No, I mean that if you examine the US budget figures for the years 1974 (when formal budgeting started) to 2011 (projected) you see that most years in which the deficit was twice as bad as average it was under a Republican president, while in most years when the deficit was lower that that, or non-existent (i.e. a surplus) it was under a Democrat president.

I made a PDF but we can't upload documents.

Theres a point at which you should understand that no amount of convincing, charts, reality, or explanation will sway someone. Fraz practically lives in that zone of incorruptible faith.

And I voted. How about you?

Can't stand the Daily Show but it is a good move to get things less "them vs us" in American politics.

You guys really need to get yourselves a system where you don't just have 2 parties...

Frazzled wrote:
And I voted. How about you?

No you didn't, polls didn't open until 7 a.m. and a 7.02 a.m.post is not a voting post.

Try again.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
And I voted. How about you?

No you didn't, polls didn't open until 7 a.m. and a 7.02 a.m.post is not a voting post.

Try again.

Early voting. I followed a guy in wearing a Star Trek uniform the friday before Halloween. I went as myself-very scary.

Education. Its awesome.

Nope, early voting in Texas ends 4 days before election.

Liar, try again.


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Could it be that Frazzled is one of the many people that reports as voting, but fails to vote?

News at ten.

dogma wrote:Nope, early voting in Texas ends 4 days before election.

Liar, try again.


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Could it be that Frazzled is one of the many people that reports as voting, but fails to vote?

News at ten.

Down TBone Down! no you can't eat his liver!



Thats not very nice calling me a liar, espeically as I had made no comments to you. For someone who likes to debate thats awfully insulting. Last refuge of the scandral?
Ignorance of the law is no excuse and you really, really should study up before you call a Texan a liar. Plus basic math helps. Friday to Tuesday is...four days.
http://www.harrisvotes.com/docs/2010earlyvotingMap.pdf

Early Voting Hours of Operation
October 18th - October 22nd
October 23
8:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m.
rd
October 24
7:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.
th
October 25th - October 29
1:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
th
7:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

It is November 2nd.

Read your sources.

Liar.

To be fair Frazzled, this is like one of those 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' stories. Except with nonsense.

Thing is, I don't care if Fraz voted or not, but don't represent as though you did when you very clearly didn't.

October 29th was the last Texas voting day, and today is November 2nd. If Fraz voted he did so 4 days ago, not this morning, as attested by his 7:02 post.

Albatross wrote:To be fair Frazzled, this is like one of those 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' stories. Except with nonsense.

Not catching the reference Alby, although now you have the image of my dad's dog very quietly continuing to go "wuf" under his breath after being shushed.

Back on topic...

I went, and I had a great time.

My favorite sign? "Stop Justin Beiber"

dogma wrote:Liar.

What's the purpose of this?

That seems like more of a PM question.

dogma wrote:Thing is, I don't care if Fraz voted or not, but don't represent as though you did when you very clearly didn't.

October 29th was the last Texas voting day, and today is November 2nd. If Fraz voted he did so 4 days ago, not this morning, as attested by his 7:02 post.

Evidently you missed this right after calling me a liar the first time.

Early voting. I followed a guy in wearing a Star Trek uniform the friday before Halloween. I went as myself-very scary.

Crankly this morning? Something not right? Do you feel a disturbance in the force, almost as if 50-75 House members all cried out in anguish at once, and were swept aside?

Here I'll help. http://www.nofactzone.net/2010/11/01/top-10-funniest-lines-from-the-rally-to-restore-sanity-andor-fear/
That rally sounds like it would have been a gas, like Eeyore's Birthday Party here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeyore's_Birthday_Party

dogma wrote:Thing is, I don't care if Fraz voted or not, but don't represent as though you did when you very clearly didn't.

October 29th was the last Texas voting day, and today is November 2nd. If Fraz voted he did so 4 days ago, not this morning, as attested by his 7:02 post.

Is that aimed at me? Um, why?

What I meant was that Frazzled talks nonsense so frequently that on the rare occasions he doesn't, people still think he's talking nonsense, hence the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' reference.

Frazzled wrote:

dogma wrote:Thing is, I don't care if Fraz voted or not, but don't represent as though you did when you very clearly didn't.

October 29th was the last Texas voting day, and today is November 2nd. If Fraz voted he did so 4 days ago, not this morning, as attested by his 7:02 post.

Evidently you missed this right after calling me a liar the first time.

Early voting. I followed a guy in wearing a Star Trek uniform the friday before Halloween. I went as myself-very scary.

Crankly this morning? Something not right? Do you feel a disturbance in the force, almost as if 50-75 House members all cried out in anguish at once, and were swept aside?

Here I'll help. http://www.nofactzone.net/2010/11/01/top-10-funniest-lines-from-the-rally-to-restore-sanity-andor-fear/
That rally sounds like it would have been a gas, like Eeyore's Birthday Party here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeyore's_Birthday_Party

You went in after the Star Trek guy 4 days ago?

You went in after the Star Trek guy at 7:02 this morning?

I'm still waiting for the line that indicates that you voted early during a non-legal voting period.

I mean, we already established that yo didn't vote today, so the question regards whether or not you voted at all.


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Albatross wrote:

dogma wrote:Thing is, I don't care if Fraz voted or not, but don't represent as though you did when you very clearly didn't.

October 29th was the last Texas voting day, and today is November 2nd. If Fraz voted he did so 4 days ago, not this morning, as attested by his 7:02 post.

Is that aimed at me? Um, why?

What I meant was that Frazzled talks nonsense so frequently that on the rare occasions he doesn't, people still think he's talking nonsense, hence the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' reference.

No, not at you. I'm more taking the opportunity to explain my stance.

Albatross wrote:What I meant was that Frazzled talks nonsense so frequently that on the rare occasions he doesn't, people still think he's talking nonsense

Have you been talking to my Wife again?


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dogma wrote:You went in after the Star Trek guy 4 days ago?

You went in after the Star Trek guy at 7:02 this morning?

I'm still waiting for the line that indicates that you voted early during a non-legal voting period.

What part of the above are you not getting. AS I STATED I voted on the Friday before Halloween. To the mathmatically challenged, thats the 29th. Upon your further statements claling me a liar, I pulled out the early voting times and the official website. Do you need me to google map you a pic of the location?

You don't admit to being wrong ever do you? You should work on that.

The Tea Party does not care if you disagree (unless you're sending money through a union). As a non-voter, you are completely irrelevant.

The tea party doesn't care what anyone thinks. It's a loose collection of mewling babies shouting about things they don't like while they absorb social security checks and kick women in the heads.

And I voted. How about you?

A conservative voted in texas?

The tea party doesn't care what anyone thinks. It's a loose collection of mewling babies shouting about things they don't like while they absorb social security checks and kick women in the heads.

Don't forget caterwauling free radicals and closet neo maxi zumdweebies!

A conservative voted in texas?

Shocking isn't it.

Nice picture frazzled. That is an ultimate man cave.
p.s. I can't wait until the tea-party gets to washington. They'll slip into the grove without too much coaxing. Say hello to the new boss; same as the old boss.