What Does Dakka Think About the Dark Eldar?

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**AbaddonFidelis**

Vaktathi wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:Are we looking at the same army here? Trueborn are one of the most efficient units I can think of.
They cost a *lot* for what they do. They can take a lot of guns and have 2A base, but that also sorta splits their role awkwardly. Are they weapons platforms or CC units? Even with 2A base they don't really do CC very well for what they cost, so it's basically wasted points. Compared to an IG Vet squad for instance, they are 5pts more per model (about 71% more) and while better in CC, are costing almost twice as much for 10 Trueborn with 4 Blasters as a unit of 10 Vets with 3 Meltaguns, but generally aren't going to deliver 2x the casualties to the enemy (unless it's a unit of Carnifex's or something). That 5+ save is a giant kick in the balls for the unit, a 4+ would have made all the difference in the world.

I'd have rated them 10pts each honestly, with Warriors at 7. Doesn't sound like much but added up over 30-60 models it makes a huge difference.

When you compare them to similar role or similar cost units like IG vets, SoB's, etc they just seem to lack something.

I agree that as a close combat unit these guys leave alot to be desired, but the expanded weapon options are well worth the extra 3 (right? 3 points?) per guy. as a heavy weapon platform in the *elites* section no less I think they really shine. I agree with you that kabalite warriors are junk at 9 points a piece. IG Vets are just awesome sauce. nobody compares to them. I think thats a problem with the IG codex rather than the DE codex. SoBs same thing. If trueborn were troops they would be awesome.

**Shenra**

overpowered...and since when do vehicles get invul saves?

**Tzeentchling9**

Shenra wrote:overpowered...and since when do vehicles get invul saves?

Space Wolves have a vehicle with one.

**AbaddonFidelis**

Shenra wrote:overpowered...and since when do vehicles get invul saves?

they're armor 10. what do you want?

**evilsponge**

Is it a point and click codex? No. If you're looking for units that spell out their roles for you stick to the imperial books. Is it a winning army? yes.

**Kingsley**

Vaktathi wrote:For 5 Trueborn with Blasters in a double Splintercannon Viper, you can get 10 IG vets in a Chimera with 3 meltaguns and an Autocannon or almost 5 CSM termi's with combi meltas. That doesn't seem quite right, the Trueborn unit just seems too expensive and critical for that role relative to their survivability.

The unit of 5 Trueborn seems way better to me. I dunno.