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Shenra wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:The Necrons really need to be taken down a peg.

I've had enough of them dominating the competitive 40k scene for the last few years.

Please tell me you're joking. What kind of loser is dominated time and again by necrons? And imo, necrons should be somewhat powerful...only currently they don't play that way.

are you living under rock or something?
necrons are Tier 1 and have codexs for nearly 5 tomb wolds
i whish gw would stop making dexses only for cron and update marines, their dex is from 2ed or something

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Shenra wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:The Necrons really need to be taken down a peg.

I've had enough of them dominating the competitive 40k scene for the last few years.

Please tell me you're joking. What kind of loser is dominated time and again by necrons? And imo, necrons should be somewhat powerful...only currently they don't play that way.

It's called sarcasm genius.

Why is he a genius if he didn't understand what sarcasm is?



Wait... wait... Oh, I see what you're doing there. You calling him a genius is sarcasm as well, right?

Good call there.

Devastator wrote:

Shenra wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:The Necrons really need to be taken down a peg.

I've had enough of them dominating the competitive 40k scene for the last few years.

Please tell me you're joking. What kind of loser is dominated time and again by necrons? And imo, necrons should be somewhat powerful...only currently they don't play that way.

are you living under rock or something?
necrons are T1 and have codexs for nearly 5 tomb wolds
i whish gw would stop making dexses only for cron and update marines, their dex is from 2ed or something

On a serious note...

If I was revising the codex, i'd either make warriors' gauss weaposn rending, or drop the cost by 4 points a model. This wouldn't be unbalanced, when you consider that they are only I2. Sure they get WBB, but is a blood angels sanguinary priest spam any less cheesy?

Necrons are overpowered in Kill Team :(

i once killed necron killteam on turn one

yeah rending on gause weapons would be good, and stubborn, with added immune to pinning or just give thhem ld - so they dont take extra wounds in cc fearless would hurt them more then. i mean theya re soules terminators.....robots. makes sense in my book.

Titankiller17 wrote:yeah rending on gause weapons would be good, and stubborn, with added immune to pinning or just give thhem ld - so they dont take extra wounds in cc fearless would hurt them more then. i mean theya re soules terminators.....robots. makes sense in my book.

That'd be waaaaaay overpowered in my opinion.

Rending AND Stubborn?

Rending guns on rapid-fire is bad enough, but making them stubborn?

If you guys also seem to think they deserve T5 with all that, then the models should be 30+ points a model.

The best way to balance Necrons in my opinion is to make them T5 and then either Rending OR Stubborn.

Units that are impossible to finish in close combat AND epic-hax shooting? You people want too much.

Rending, when I've play tested has been a bit strong. AP1 vs vehicles and stubborn makes necrons very tough again. It is shocking how many vehicles they chew up due to the +1 damage. Stubborn gives the normal 1-2 warrior survivors of a cc units charge the chance to portal out in their turn and take the 'downed' necrons with them. I think the new codex will address this, probably with fearless, stubborn, or maybe even a 'machine intelligence' mechanism were ld tests are taken on 3d6 and the lowest rolls picked, representing cold logic. FnP will defo replace WBB as despite the disadvantages against ranged weapons (ap1/2, rending etc) the fact that your guys that make their FNP saves will still be able to fight in the cc makes up for this. Add in a res orb buff of always allowing FnP if in 6"/12" of the holder, regardless of the weapon used, and maybe a 3+ FnP buff from being near a lith or tomb spider. With these additions necrons would be well worth their points, probably a bit more, 20 per warrior, maybe 23pts in line with plague marines. As an aside the original necron raiders were 44pts each! But they were T5 with a 2+ sv lol

The best solution hands down is to make Gauss weapons Ap1 against vehicles - this "restores" the advantage they had in previous editions, in that they can destroy vehicles with glancing hits.

5th ed nerfed all glancing hits. Haywire grenades and the like are just not worth it. Sad to say the DE codex didn't address haywires so I think necrons will not get any improvement in that area either. 4th ed is dead... long live 5th ed.

liam0404 wrote:The best solution hands down is to make Gauss weapons Ap1 against vehicles - this "restores" the advantage they had in previous editions, in that they can destroy vehicles with glancing hits.

That's not really the simplest solution. A more simple version of that is to give them +1 on damage rolls against vehicles.

Then you'd never have a situation where people are like "it's AP 1 so no armor saves; but it's only AP 1 to vehicles; nuh uh, etc".

Count as open topped might be a bit better than a flat +1 that way vehicles that are already oppen topped don't get ripped apart even easier than usual.

But they're open topped? So they should stay weak?

That would make Necrons a fun counter to Dark Eldar.

A speedy fragile assault army against a heavy duty shooting army.

Grakmar wrote:Why is he a genius if he didn't understand what sarcasm is?



Wait... wait... Oh, I see what you're doing there.

Well played.

This is a pretty good example of looking at a part of a codex in isolation and getting a conclusion that runs completely counter to how the whole army actually plays in the field.

I mean, sure, if you just look at a basic necron warrior and compare him to a Space Marine it looks like the cost and lower initiative really don't make up for WBB and gauss weapons. But when you consider the necron in the context of the rest of the codex and see it in the field it's pretty unlikely you'd conclude 'necrons need to be more expensive'.

DarknessEternal wrote:

liam0404 wrote:The best solution hands down is to make Gauss weapons Ap1 against vehicles - this "restores" the advantage they had in previous editions, in that they can destroy vehicles with glancing hits.

That's not really the simplest solution. A more simple version of that is to give them +1 on damage rolls against vehicles.

Then you'd never have a situation where people are like "it's AP 1 so no armor saves; but it's only AP 1 to vehicles; nuh uh, etc".

Great suggestion. It's functionally identical, but will result in less confusion. I agree with this 100%

sebster wrote:This is a pretty good example of looking at a part of a codex in isolation and getting a conclusion that runs completely counter to how the whole army actually plays in the field.

I mean, sure, if you just look at a basic necron warrior and compare him to a Space Marine it looks like the cost and lower initiative really don't make up for WBB and gauss weapons. But when you consider the necron in the context of the rest of the codex and see it in the field it's pretty unlikely you'd conclude 'necrons need to be more expensive'.

The problem is that the weakest part of the army typically takes up the most points unless you run a destroyer heavy list or something. Warriors are ESSENTIAL to winning games because you can't hold objectives without them and you are required to spend 360 points minimum (game type dependent) on them every game. So yes, they are a staple to the army and a giant achilles heel as well.

I tend to be somewhat aggressive with my Warriors. I reserve enough to prevent phase out, usually with a Veil Lord or Monolith nearby just to make sure that they can get the hell out of dodge. The rest of them I like to use as bait or to advance toward the enemy to put pressure on them.

20-24 gauss flayer shots in the right place can make a lot of difference. There's no real good real of thumb for playing them like this, you just have to be able to read the situation and take advantage of it.

So Sol i guess they aren't over priced. but don't worry the new Codex might come out in the next 6 months