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Tek wrote:It's an anchor point for a keen hobbyist or gamer to come up with something fun.

This would be my point.

something fun is exactly what i have tried to achieve

Steinerp's rules on the previous page look good. Exarch powers and such looks good to me.
Not sure about the fly-by SR, you could just use the JSJ rule that jetbikes and Warp Spiders already use.

Tyrael, sorry for forgetting one entry in the Codex. That did sound agressive FWIW.
My point is, the aspect warriors are all pretty much based on the same statline. There are some some obvious deviations, like the Dark Reapers armour save for instance, but they generally follow a template. Disrupting that template makes the unit unwieldy.

I'm only putting in my two pence here. If you disagree, then ignore it. You don't need to get pissy.

Tek wrote:Steinerp's rules on the previous page look good. Exarch powers and such looks good to me.
Not sure about the fly-by SR, you could just use the JSJ rule that jetbikes and Warp Spiders already use.

Tyrael, sorry for forgetting one entry in the Codex. That did sound agressive FWIW.
My point is, the aspect warriors are all pretty much based on the same statline. There are some some obvious deviations, like the Dark Reapers armour save for instance, but they generally follow a template. Disrupting that template makes the unit unwieldy.

I'm only putting in my two pence here. If you disagree, then ignore it. You don't need to get pissy.

i wasn't getting pissy if anything opposing points of view help better develop units that are proposed such as these. however from what i have learned about these guys they are suppose to be extremely fast and accurate, ergo why i went more towards the troop master's stat line rather then regular aspect stat line... i hope that made since as i'm god awfully tired at the moment

OK dude I see your point, but let's be honest they're still an aspect squad.

As for anything you've read about them, disregard it immediately. There is one line in the 2nd Edition Edlar Codex that reads along the lines of "...like the Slicing Orbs of Zandros who are only known to serve one craftworld".

I forget the exact wording, perhaps I'll take a picture of it later tonight. That's it as far as official canon goes, so the idea of them being supposed to be fast and accurate, that's anyone's call to make. Hell, they could all be pilots of super-walkers, or they could all shoot bright lances out of their eyes if you want.

IMO, a statline that's comparable to other aspects. They're all supposed to be super-adept at their art, but if that was true all the banshees would have WS10 and use Str.10 PWs too.

Tek- You could use the jetbike or warp spider rule but I wanted to make them different from the warp spiders since they already copy them in a lot of ways. This makes them capable of engaging faster but not running away nearly as effectively.

One thing I just thought of was that as infantry they should get a wave serpent option which seems counter to how people are envisioning them.

So my suggested revision is make them cavalry so they can fire off their flamers and still be able to assault the survivors. This would also move them to Fast Attack.

Also to encourage them to assault I think we can allow them to slicing orb in close combat as well (giving them rending, not S6) They will still be inferior to Harliquins as they will have 1 attack base as opposed to 3 for the harlies. So I would only charge them 2 points for the rending bringing their base cost up to 18 points.

That also opens up a second option for the exarch which I was unable to think of last week. Maybe something as simple as a power weapon for 10 points. Also I didn't have time to figure out point costs for the add-ons.

For the exarch-12 points, for the flamer- the cost of a liquifer gun (not sure), for Dazzle-15 points, for fly-by (rename) 10 points

50 POimts each,yeah sure banshees are 16and they get 3 strength instead of 2 plus power weapons and banshee mask.Maybe 18for more slicing orbs rather than 50,add poisioning standard,and it'll be viable

FUUUUDGE! wrote:50 POimts each,yeah sure banshees are 16and they get 3 strength instead of 2 plus power weapons and banshee mask.Maybe 18for more slicing orbs rather than 50,add poisioning standard,and it'll be viable

they were worth 50 but everyone here encouraged me to tone them down alot.... besides the harly troop master comes out to about 38 points and these guys have much better weapons and about the same profile so 50 sounded about fair