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malfred wrote:So why do the Spartans get the nipple armor but the Amazons get stuck with only cleavage?

Where's the fairness in that?

Also why the beards and not the homoerotic pretty boys of 300?

CT GAMER wrote:

malfred wrote:So why do the Spartans get the nipple armor but the Amazons get stuck with only cleavage?

Where's the fairness in that?

Also why the beards and not the homoerotic pretty boys of 300?

I understand that WGF is pretty strictly historic when they're doing their historicals.

Sry, i got misunderstod... I dont think that daemonetes of slanesh are sexpositive, and i am arguing exactly about it, they should look more female and provocative, not as harpies without wings.

This amazons will bring nice female conversions to the hobby, and (hopely) better models on the same line (from WGF or others).

For exemple, i can see this arms being mixed with new dark eldar to produce female looking witchs...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:This amazons will bring nice female conversions to the hobby, and (hopely) better models on the same line (from WGF or others).

I do not agree. If they were better quality and had more bare heads they would be worth picking up for conversions, but as-is, I wouldn't want to use them for much more than armatures. Even then, you'd have to cut off the push-up breastplate and sculpt the head from scratch.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Sry, i got misunderstod... I dont think that daemonetes of slanesh are sexpositive, and i am arguing exactly about it, they should look more female and provocative, not as harpies without wings.

This amazons will bring nice female conversions to the hobby, and (hopely) better models on the same line (from WGF or others).

For exemple, i can see this arms being mixed with new dark eldar to produce female looking witchs...

No, I agree with you. The daemonettes are not sexplotative, and they should be. However I disagree that these amazons will bring female conversions of any quality to the hobby. Although there are a decent amount of great converters out there who could make something good out of them, most people need to start from good source material to make a good conversion. That, these are not. Why, for example, anyone would want to mix them with the amazing quality wyches is beyond me.

Look at this models



I agree they are great, but those females dont have female arms, their bodys and breasts are femalish, the heads are beutifull (but violent) but those arms are not.
Obviously, they are wyches, and that means anabolized eldar girls crazy for fight, but if you want to make cheap conversions from them, it will not look femalish at all...
Be true and say, at the first look, how many womans you see? (if you search, you will find seven)



This looks like a girls, and it dont even have those big breast...



These girls have femalish look (see the arms and the soft round body), they are very good if you stop to think... They only flaw is the almost lack of sexposition (when they should be very sexpositive)



These girsl are girsl who look like girsl, dont lack the "i am strong" thing and are not sexpositive.

Now look at this:


And for the ones worried about the heads:


They dont look femalish? I think they are not perfect, they are just good when you are with good humor, but, they have conversion potential (and only that by my point of view).

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I agree they are great, but those females dont have female arms, their bodys and breasts are femalish, the heads are beutifull (but violent) but those arms are not.
Obviously, they are wyches, and that means anabolized eldar girls crazy for fight, but if you want to make cheap conversions from them, it will not look femalish at all...
Be true and say, at the first look, how many womans you see? (if you search, you will find seven)

Speaking as someone sitting here looking at said arms on the sprue, I'm calling utter BS on this. Do the arms have defined musculature? Sure. So do any number of female athletes. And of course they don't look as feminine as some might want them to, but hey, if you see a female athlete, she's going to have muscles on her. Now obviously these are exaggerated A)because this is 40k we're talking about, and B)Because they need to be used for males as well as females, but the idea that they couldn't be a woman's arms is just ridiculous. And if you're honestly arguing that the Daemonettes, or for god's sake the Sisters of Battle (not that I don't like sisters, I've always wanted to make an army of them, just never gotten around to it) look more female than the new wyches, I'm not sure what to tell you, because apparently you've never seen a woman up close.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Now look at this:


And for the ones worried about the heads:


They dont look femalish? I think they are not perfect, they are just good when you are with good humor, but, they have conversion potential (and only that by my point of view).

The arms... I'll accept they look about as feminine as the wyches' arms, but the wyches at least don't look like someone cast them out of butter rather than plastic. As to the heads, they look to me like someone was trying to sculpt the result of crossbreeding between humans and the archetypal gray aliens. Why anyone would use them is beyond me.

I never said wyches got bad pieces, they just dont look so much femalish, and that is noto usefull when you expect to do female conversions...

Demonetes of Slanesh, as i can see in the photo, look femalish, specially where the wyches lack it: on the shoulders and forearms. Their flaw is the pure lack of sensuality, that is repleaced by "demonic monstrousity" (wich only is really present in the kness, foots, armas, hands and head...), and look, they got muscled arms who look femalish (actually, after some revies of those little ones, maybe they got a lot of convertion potential on them...)

Sisters are nice... but that is a matter of opinion, and i will not try to offend you to prove my point...

The Amazons of WGF are not beautyfull models, and dont reach the highness of GW sculpts, but they got that potential for conversions, at least cheap conversions...

Another exemple: i can see one of those girls being converted in a female endar farseer, it will took lots of bits and greenstuff, but ti will look nice in the end...

From Tony Reidy himself:

Thanks Ruud! It's great to hear from you! Glad you like the new stuff - we're going to have a LOT of releases in the next few months so stay tuned!

Lineup is:

WSS
Viking Bondi
Spartans
Orcs
Amazons
Skeletons
Centaurs
Greek Hoplites
Spartans
Greek Light Infantry
Amazon Cavalry
Greek Cavalry
and more!

Thanks again,
Tony


So either classical Greek or mythilogical greek become an option very soon.

I don't think anyone has done plastic centuars before. They intrigue me, but I can't really think of a use for them outside of D&D.

Counts as Marauder Cav? That was my plan before I decided I didn't want to buy a lot of metal centaurs.

This will sound bad, but... Chaos Space Marines "warbikers"?

Centaurs can be any cavalry in a game, talking serious, they have a great room on Wood Elves armies...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Now look at this:

You know what am i thinking? FEMALE ORCS ON THE WAY!!!

Odd to see that their release schedule has no Shock Troop or Alien Suns releases. Not sure that I see the logic behind shirking their most marketable line.

SkaerKrow wrote:Odd to see that their release schedule has no Shock Troop or Alien Suns releases. Not sure that I see the logic behind shirking their most marketable line.

Maybe this explanation to why sci fi is expensive to do?

How about "Because it takes us a week to decide what ancient Celts should look like and come up with basic images, while it takes 7000 posts on the forums, six months of discussion, a lot of showing renders which people dissect until they like them, and generally about ten times as long to prepare."

I like the Orcs (first models from WGF I've liked), a nice old school feel to them, reminds me of ral partha or the animated lord of the rings film.

As for the amazons, they aren't for me, they've got some odd bobblehead syndrome going on I dislike.

kenshin620 wrote:Maybe this explanation to why sci fi is expensive to do?

How about "Because it takes us a week to decide what ancient Celts should look like and come up with basic images, while it takes 7000 posts on the forums, six months of discussion, a lot of showing renders which people dissect until they like them, and generally about ten times as long to prepare."

I see the point that they're trying to make, but they already have the aesthetic of the Shock Troops ironed out. At this point they just need to begin releasing supplementary kits for them, such as Heavy Weapons Squads, Cavalry or Veterans. They've already invented their wheel, now they're just adding chromed out spinners and hydraulics to it.

SkaerKrow wrote:Odd to see that their release schedule has no Shock Troop or Alien Suns releases. Not sure that I see the logic behind shirking their most marketable line.

They didn't know how profitable it was going to be, and they were afraid to invest capital into subsequent models in the line before the Shock Troops payed for themselves.

They did well so we will get more, but they are mainly a historicals company branching out into fantasy and dabbling in Scifi, so they have a lot of other products in the works.

I know Howard was toying with an actual game system for WarGames Factory Product, and I imagine future scifi releases may be geared with it in consideration.

adamsouza wrote:I know Howard was toying with an actual game system for WarGames Factory Product, and I imagine future scifi releases may be geared with it in consideration.

That sounds like a tremendous mistake, to me. Right now, WGF has the advantage of being able to watch which way that the wind is blowing with existing sci-fi ranges and release models to fill the lucrative gaps left by bigger companies. They don't have to spend time or effort on game development, .pdf or rulebook construction, placating a vociferous player base or anything of the sort. All they have to do is make good models that will appeal to people that can't find quite what they're looking for from other companies. Releasing a game system compels you to narrow the horizons of your model ranges and to limit your releases to those that will flesh out the armies that you've created for your game system. Suddenly, instead of being able to seamlessly introduce a line of Space Tribals to capitalize on the success of Avatar (using this purely as an example), you have to worry about interrupting your release schedule for Aliens Sunhammer, or about quickly getting rules for Space Tribals into Alien Sunshammer. You reduce your dexterity as a model company by becoming a game company (likewise, you do the same by going from being a game company to a model company). Right now Wargames Factory is in the Catbird Seat, I don't see what they have to gain by climbing out of it.

Gitkikka wrote:Spartan Dude says, "Pull my finger."

haha


The amazons look pretty good.