Breaking the Remembrance Day silence

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**Albatross**

Come on, Matty. Everyone knows that there are waltzers and ice-cream in paradise.

**loki old fart**

It's our own fault, we should make parts of britain like pakistan for them.
So they don't feel homesick/guilty

**notprop**

loki old fart wrote:It's our own fault, we should make parts of britain like pakistan for them.
So they don't feel homesick/guilty

Make?

I thought we already had Scotland?

**Avatar 720**

notprop wrote:
loki old fart wrote:It's our own fault, we should make parts of britain like pakistan for them.
So they don't feel homesick/guilty

Make?

I thought we already had Scotland?

I'd love to see what the reaction would be if we dumped them on Scotland. The only thing to fear is fear itself... and an angry Scotsman.

**mattyrm**

I was based in Scotland for a while.

I prefered it in Kabul.

**loki old fart**

I was actually thinking of one of the scottish islands.
Somewhere desolate and hilly, the koran a couple of goats etc.
Then just forget where we left them

**Orlanth**

Tolerance goes both ways, time that lesson was learned, and put to the test.

If the Islamic want the 'right' to disrespect the Armistice Memorial silence I demand they respect our 'right' to exercise pigs on the pavement directly outside a radical clerics mosque.

Technically I could do that. I could have a pet pig, and I could take it for walks, so long as I scoop the poop I am golden. But if I walked past a mosque....

There have been enough complaints against dog owners on roads where mosques are, and thats not even extremist mosques. We have had dogs long before we had mosques, given the choice I would choose dog or pig over mosque anyday. However if I tried this I would likely not have my rights respected, by the occupants of the mosque, or the local police. Ho hum, no wonder they piss on our war dead, we dont tell them to do any different, yet there is no limit to what they demand of us. To put this in perspective, dogs are unclean to Jews too, walk your dog past where the synagogue is and noone complains, so long as the dog doesn't enter the grounds, which would be a fair complaint.

or

**Wolf**

LoL Loki, that would be pretty funny.

Another country coems up to us and says, " Hey Britain where di you put the protesting people that really ticked you off ?"

We simply reply " Uhhh, well, we kinda forgot where we left them, our bad

"

If they protest on any other day/ or time, fair play, but on that day at that specific time, foreshame ! Sometimes too much freedom can be a bad thing. And that goes for the entire country

**Kilkrazy**

There is historical precedent to show that rounding up everyone of a particular religion and putting them in some kind of camp in a remote area is not a very good idea.

**loki old fart**

Just trying to make them feel at home

Also on the note of disrespecting old soldiers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11735874
How low can you get!!!!

**mattyrm**

Burn the heretic!

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Irony of this protest:
Not a single SWEARFILTERISHEREFORAREASONKAYTHANX111 was given that day.

Seriously, 30 guys? It just goes to show that they don't speak for the majority of Muslims like they think they do.

**Mr Mystery**

Oh for goodness sake.

If you don't like Britain, just feth off and live somewhere else.

Racist sentiment? Not so much. Goes for all those who have a major problem with not being of the majority opinion. Pretty much every kind of government is out there somewhere, so go find one that suits you better and stop complaining. Arseholes.

**loki old fart**

Anybody notice where that shop was in the link I posted, yup Bristol

C'mon MGS form a posse

Bristol - City of Villains

**Cheese Elemental**

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Irony of this protest:
Not a single f*&9 was given that day.

Seriously, 30 guys? It just goes to show that they don't speak for the majority of Muslims like they think they do.

This.

I'm rather disturbed by the anti-Muslim sentiment on Dakka. There's a lot of ignorance here.

Then again, given the amount of right-wingers here, that doesn't surprise me.

**Mr Mystery**

Cheese...I think you're mistaking many views against Religious Fundamentalism.

Sure, there are some rather more..zealous(?) posters, but for the most part, it's not aimed purely at Muslims.

**Kilkrazy**

There is a strong current of anti-Muslimism, however this merely mirrors wider society on the national and international level. (Swiss ban on minarets, French ban on Bhurkhas, etc.)

It is perfectly understandable in the current international climate, though of course it is something to be strongly deprecated.

**syanticraven**

It may be ignorant of me but I think any British citizen who wilfully joins the armed forces of another country that is publicly at 'war' with Britain (or a scuffle) should lose there nationality honours.

Also although something is disrespectful it may not be illegal, so nothing should be done about it. Think about how many teenagers are currently carrying weapons, bricking windows and beating 7 different shades out of someone atm, yet they mostly get away with it

**sexiest_hero**

Good for them, Clans men have a right to spout anit-jewish Nazi spunk, Some people cling to the Homeland of Africa. If they feel they can help others then what ever. Free speech doesn't mean it's good speech.

If you get mad they have won, if you say "Ok whatever and pay no mind they fail.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Today at 11 o'clock the two minutes silence was duly observed at chez Chibi remembering the fallen.

Including the Muslim soldiers of the Indian Army that fought with courage and distiction and were highly regarded by their British officers.

We will remember them.

**jp400**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I'm rather disturbed by the anti-Muslim sentiment on Dakka....

I find your lack of ability to distinguish the fact that we are not hating ALL Muslim's, but rather the idiot extremists, disturbing.

**sebster**

mattyrm wrote:I wouldnt be suprised if they are all British born, i understand why so many of them are like they are. They have family living in places like Pakistan and they hate us because they absolutely enjoy being here and they feel guilty for it. And this makes them go all kinds of crazy.

You know.. sorta like

"Im going to kill these British pigs as soon as i get out of Flamingo Land ONE MORE GO ON THE WALTZERS ITS SO AWESOME THEN MORE ICE CREAM THEN DEATH!"

Kinda thing.

Ha! That's pretty much it.

The funds the IRA weren’t getting from guns and drugs was coming almost exclusively out of the US, especially Boston. It wasn’t even Irish migrants, it was the second, third and fourth generation people who liked to think of themselves as Irish and liked to throw money in a pot to help fight the war back home. People have these weird, romantic ideas about the glorious struggles they aren’t actually part of, so it makes them do stupid things.

Meanwhile, there’s 30 of these dickheads. Who cares?

**Stormrider**

It must hurt some Vets who shed blood and saw their fellow servicemen not come back, to see this on Nov 11th, of all days. They have the right to protest, but quit trying be "authentic" in your Islamism. You're Western European by birth, your parents left the Homeland for a reason.

As for the Westboro Baptist "Congregation", these people are in an incredibly small minority in the US. We're walking Stormfront and them and that's it. There should be an addendum to the First Amendment stating "you can say what you wish, but the fine for getting your ass beaten cannot exceed $1"

**MeanGreenStompa**

Islam promotes the subjugation and oppression of women.

The more extreme Islam veers, the more fascist it becomes. I am therefore idiologically against it.

I support the ideal of religious and political tolerance, yet when confronted with those who use our democratic system to promote a religious or politically oppressive theology, I say take the kid-gloves off and give them a resounding smack across the face and tell them to sit down and shut up.

**mattyrm**

jp400 wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:I'm rather disturbed by the anti-Muslim sentiment on Dakka....

I find your lack of ability to distinguish the fact that we are not hating ALL Muslim's, but rather the idiot extremists, disturbing.

Indeed.

I have had this out with Cheese on numerous occasions, and almost every statement in this thread has been entirely acceptable and free from anything that could be called "hate speech". I myself criticised ONE guy (Anjem Choudray), and the other posts were along the lines of "hah! only 30 people, clearly you dont represent the majority of the faith" and good natured humorous analogys, yet Cheese turns up as usual with his cringing "you are all picking on Islam" tag line.

Quite how the practitioners of Islam have managed to recruit so many people who are not Muslim themselves, to get so terribly offended by the merest utterance of distaste for some of Islams practices is utterly beyond me.

No wonder they seem to enjoy such high status far above their numerical power with regards to political policy, with people like Cheese on hand to throw faceitious statements around on their behalf. This ridiculous idea that you just arent allowed to criticize a Religion ever for no good reason disgusts me as a man with high esteem for democracy.

Why is it you can argue aggressively about which political party you support, but you arent allowed to voice slight distate at things like genital mutilation, legalized rape, sex with minors or forcing women to walk around looking like a Royal Mail postbox thanks to an unpleasant cloth sack being tied about their heads?

I think there are a great many things secular westerners would logcially find unpleasant about Islam, particularly if you are a woman, and we have a right to say so.

Especially if they have the right to dance the samba through a two minute bloody silence. (they do)

**Frazzled**

filbert wrote:Saw this article on Google news and wondered if the group in question did actually carry out their threat..

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jeqjLgnV4ST-bpH0LD6ytgOMdhKQ?docId=B2922551289472388A00

Google wrote:Islamic protesters in London have pledged to "break the silence" as millions stopped to mark Armistice Day.

Members of a group known as Muslims Against Crusades called an "emergency demonstration" in Kensington, west London.

Around 30 people gathered close to the junction of Exhibition Road and Kensington Road, adjacent to Hyde Park. There were fears members of the English Defence League could launch a counter-protest after messages were posted online.

Police were questioning people they suspected were preparing to travel to Kensington after arriving at Victoria Station.

Asad Ullah, of Muslims Against Crusades, said sparking violence "is not our intention" but added: "If it does, we are people who will defend our honour." Speaking from Exhibition Road, he said: "We are demonstrating because this day is a day of remembrance to remember every single fallen soldier, including those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"We find it disgusting that innocent people, innocent children, have been killed in an illegal and unjust war and we are demonstrating against that. We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

Asked how many people are at the demonstration, he said there are "about 30" but more are expected. Mr Ullah added: "We would like to have a protest closer to the memorial but it is difficult to get access. We want to break the silence and say: 'what about the silence for others that have died?'"

The Muslims Against Crusades website includes graphic images of children wounded in warfare and the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib. Earlier this year members of the group were involved in violent clashes with far-right groups during a troop march in Barking, east London.

A series of incendiary comments were posted on a social networking website linked to the English Defence League. Some members pledged to attend while others showered the Islamic group with abuse and criticised police for allowing the demonstration to take place.

It is understood the event is taking place in Kensington because it is outside a protected zone around Parliament where spontaneous protests are banned. There are suspicions Muslims Against Crusades is a splinter group of Islam4UK, founded by Anjem Choudary.

I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

Let them gather then set off the "accidental gasoline tanker truck explosion."

**mattyrm**

Frazzled wrote:
filbert wrote:Saw this article on Google news and wondered if the group in question did actually carry out their threat..

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jeqjLgnV4ST-bpH0LD6ytgOMdhKQ?docId=B2922551289472388A00

Google wrote:Islamic protesters in London have pledged to "break the silence" as millions stopped to mark Armistice Day.

Members of a group known as Muslims Against Crusades called an "emergency demonstration" in Kensington, west London.

Around 30 people gathered close to the junction of Exhibition Road and Kensington Road, adjacent to Hyde Park. There were fears members of the English Defence League could launch a counter-protest after messages were posted online.

Police were questioning people they suspected were preparing to travel to Kensington after arriving at Victoria Station.

Asad Ullah, of Muslims Against Crusades, said sparking violence "is not our intention" but added: "If it does, we are people who will defend our honour." Speaking from Exhibition Road, he said: "We are demonstrating because this day is a day of remembrance to remember every single fallen soldier, including those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"We find it disgusting that innocent people, innocent children, have been killed in an illegal and unjust war and we are demonstrating against that. We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

Asked how many people are at the demonstration, he said there are "about 30" but more are expected. Mr Ullah added: "We would like to have a protest closer to the memorial but it is difficult to get access. We want to break the silence and say: 'what about the silence for others that have died?'"

The Muslims Against Crusades website includes graphic images of children wounded in warfare and the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib. Earlier this year members of the group were involved in violent clashes with far-right groups during a troop march in Barking, east London.

A series of incendiary comments were posted on a social networking website linked to the English Defence League. Some members pledged to attend while others showered the Islamic group with abuse and criticised police for allowing the demonstration to take place.

It is understood the event is taking place in Kensington because it is outside a protected zone around Parliament where spontaneous protests are banned. There are suspicions Muslims Against Crusades is a splinter group of Islam4UK, founded by Anjem Choudary.

I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

Let them gather then set off the "accidental gasoline tanker truck explosion."

Frazzled's post was far shorter and less eloquent than mine, and yet, he captured the true essence of my post in less than a sentence.

**squilverine**

I wonder how many of those thirty if offered £5000, a Pakistani/Afghan Passport, Airfare and an AK with 500 rounds would actualy give up their status of British citizen and join the Jihad?
Probably none. Mainly down to the fact that they are no more than rabble rousing teens/young men looking for a cause to follow which will upset as many people as possible.
In reality would any of them give up their free housing, healthcare, education, civil liberties and xbox 360 to go and rough it in some ballbag of a country where a good time is generaly seen as thrashing the gak out of your wife.
I say offer them a beer and a bacon butty and tell them to chill the feth out.

**cadian512**

Whatever happened to equality and respect? These protestors need to remember that it works both ways.

I feel strongly on this so to prevent me posting somthing ill regret ill stop there.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

squilverine wrote:I wonder how many of those thirty if offered £5000, a Pakistani/Afghan Passport, Airfare and an AK with 500 rounds would actualy give up their status of British citizen and join the Jihad?
Probably none. Mainly down to the fact that they are no more than rabble rousing teens/young men looking for a cause to follow which will upset as many people as possible.
In reality would any of them give up their free housing, healthcare, education, civil liberties and xbox 360 to go and rough it in some ballbag of a country where a good time is generaly seen as thrashing the gak out of your wife.
I say offer them a beer and a bacon butty and tell them to chill the feth out.

Indeedy. It's a bit like the BNP; they rant on about how they hate the Asians who have "invaded" our country, but I'll be damned if they'd give up the Saturday night curry in favour of being more "British."