Breaking the Remembrance Day silence

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**filbert**

Saw this article on Google news and wondered if the group in question did actually carry out their threat..

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jeqjLgnV4ST-bpH0LD6ytgOMdhKQ?docId=B2922551289472388A00

Google wrote:Islamic protesters in London have pledged to "break the silence" as millions stopped to mark Armistice Day.

Members of a group known as Muslims Against Crusades called an "emergency demonstration" in Kensington, west London.

Around 30 people gathered close to the junction of Exhibition Road and Kensington Road, adjacent to Hyde Park. There were fears members of the English Defence League could launch a counter-protest after messages were posted online.

Police were questioning people they suspected were preparing to travel to Kensington after arriving at Victoria Station.

Asad Ullah, of Muslims Against Crusades, said sparking violence "is not our intention" but added: "If it does, we are people who will defend our honour." Speaking from Exhibition Road, he said: "We are demonstrating because this day is a day of remembrance to remember every single fallen soldier, including those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"We find it disgusting that innocent people, innocent children, have been killed in an illegal and unjust war and we are demonstrating against that. We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

Asked how many people are at the demonstration, he said there are "about 30" but more are expected. Mr Ullah added: "We would like to have a protest closer to the memorial but it is difficult to get access. We want to break the silence and say: 'what about the silence for others that have died?'"

The Muslims Against Crusades website includes graphic images of children wounded in warfare and the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib. Earlier this year members of the group were involved in violent clashes with far-right groups during a troop march in Barking, east London.

A series of incendiary comments were posted on a social networking website linked to the English Defence League. Some members pledged to attend while others showered the Islamic group with abuse and criticised police for allowing the demonstration to take place.

It is understood the event is taking place in Kensington because it is outside a protected zone around Parliament where spontaneous protests are banned. There are suspicions Muslims Against Crusades is a splinter group of Islam4UK, founded by Anjem Choudary.

I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

**loki old fart**

There is always some scum floating around, you just have to push them aside and ignore them.

**SilverMK2**

That is kind of wrong. It is probably a good thing they didn't get close to the larger rememberance gatherings.

**Tyyr**

"We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

So is this guy a UK citizen or what? If he is it sort of reveals where his allegiances lie.

**Howard A Treesong**

filbert wrote:I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

Because ultimately we show tolerance and allow free expression. The minute silence is not a legal requirement after all. They are free to do this just as we are free to express our contempt.

There's only 30 of the dickheads, it's hardly newsworthy. The English Defence League are just as bad, it's just as well they didn't turn up and start a fight.

**filbert**

Tyyr wrote:
"We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

So is this guy a UK citizen or what? If he is it sort of reveals where his allegiances lie.

There seems to be a growing core of what the media term 'disaffected muslims' in Britain. They were born here, have spent their life here and enjoy the benefits of a (relatively) stable and benign country.

However, they are just as quick to jump to the defence of their perceived brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is seen as a real problem here; we had the discovery of the British born muslims who had travelled to Afghanistan to fight against the US and UK forces - we now have a growing issue of radicalised UK based muslims who are intent on recreating Al Qaeda here. Just recently, there was a high profile case of a woman, who seemed otherwise normal and intelligent, but after viewing a cleric on Youtube, felt compelled to go and attempt to kill her local MP for his voted support on the invasion of Iraq. Its a disturbing trend. I think a lot of these young muslims don't see themselves as British any more.

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Howard A Treesong wrote:
filbert wrote:I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

Because ultimately we show tolerance and allow free expression. The minute silence is not a legal requirement after all. They are free to do this just as we are free to express our contempt.

There's only 30 of the dickheads, it's hardly newsworthy. The English Defence League are just as bad, it's just as well they didn't turn up and start a fight.

Yes I agree, however, it is somewhat ironic that those very same freedoms of speech that these protesters are taking advantage of were protected by the ultimate sacrifice that many young men and women have made for this country and that these protesters wish to trample on.

**The Dreadnote**

Tyyr wrote:So is this guy a UK citizen or what? If he is it sort of reveals where his allegiances lie.

It's not a terribly uncommon viewpoint among young british muslims.

**Tyyr**

I have a feeling that a month in "Their country," would pretty quickly convince them they like the UK a lot more.

**SagesStone**

filbert wrote:So what say you Dakka?

Is it ironic that they are on a crusade against crusades?

**SilverMK2**

Tyyr wrote:
"We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

So is this guy a UK citizen or what? If he is it sort of reveals where his allegiances lie.

That is the exact same quote I was trying to post something about without sounding like some kind of foam at the mouth racist

Thank you for sorting it.

**filbert**

Tyyr wrote:I have a feeling that a month in "Their country," would pretty quickly convince them they like the UK a lot more.

I'm sure it would. What galls more is them using the very freedoms that we have fought to protect and enshrine and spitting them back in our faces.

**SilverMK2**

filbert wrote:[Yes I agree, however, it is somewhat ironic that those very same freedoms of speech that these protesters are taking advantage of were protected by the ultimate sacrifice that many young men and women have made for this country and that these protesters wish to trample on.

You can only do and say what you want as long as you are doing and saying what we want you to.

**Tyyr**

SilverMK2 wrote:
Tyyr wrote:
"We want the Government to pull the troops out from these countries and to stop interfering in our affairs."

So is this guy a UK citizen or what? If he is it sort of reveals where his allegiances lie.

That is the exact same quote I was trying to post something about without sounding like some kind of foam at the mouth racist

Thank you for sorting it.

Not sure if I should say "You're welcome," or be insulted.

**Tim the Biovore**

They are so god damn lucky it's not a crime to be an idiot.

**filbert**

SilverMK2 wrote:
filbert wrote:Yes I agree, however, it is somewhat ironic that those very same freedoms of speech that these protesters are taking advantage of were protected by the ultimate sacrifice that many young men and women have made for this country and that these protesters wish to trample on.

You can only do and say what you want as long as you are doing and saying what we want you to.

Not really. I have no opposition to the right to protest and demonstrate. I think what is upsetting in this case is not the message that is being put across by these people (although I'm sure some would object), its the whole timing associated with it. I have nothing against them wishing to demonstrate opposition to the war, what I do object to is them deliberately trying to cause upset, hurt and annoyance by timing their demonstration at a very poignant time of year.

It would be the same if it were a muslim religious holiday for example. and the English Defence League decide to have a protest - it is not always about the message, but more about causing the maximum amount of pain and that's what I object to.

What I mean to say is that for the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day, this protest would be fine in my view (and most probably un-reported and un-newsworthy) but precisely because it has been chosen to disrupt the two minutes' silence is what is causing the grief and that is unnecessary in my opinion.

**mattyrm**

Anjem choudry. Kill it with fire!

**ChaosGalvatron**

Look on the bright side. its just a few spankers that wouldnt get any air time if it wasnt for the 24hr media saturation. like those idiots at westboro church in america. Keep hearing about their protests but its a couple of dozen inbred twits.
Let them protest at a remembrance day ceremony. See how many people take their side. not many i bet.

**SilverMK2**

Tyyr wrote:Not sure if I should say "You're welcome," or be insulted.

Sorry, I meant that as a positive thing. I think you worded it well without coming across badly.

**loki old fart**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
filbert wrote:I am all for the right to protest peacefully and demonstrate your own view - that is one of the principals that our grandparent's generation fought for in WW2 - but the ex soldier in me wonders why we tolerate people like this in our country.

So what say you Dakka?

Because ultimately we show tolerance and allow free expression. The minute silence is not a legal requirement after all. They are free to do this just as we are free to express our contempt.

There's only 30 of the dickheads, it's hardly newsworthy. The English Defence League are just as bad, it's just as well they didn't turn up and start a fight.

Which is kind of ironic really, because the english defence league came into being as a response to this sort of thing.

**Marushi**

I umm.. I'm stunned by some peoples stupidity. Do they realise why they're in the country and why they're able to protest freely?

The second any free thinking person attempts to disrupt a muslim tradition, what happens? Nicked and jailed for inciting racial hatred?

The fact he wants 'us' to stay out of 'his' affairs is brutally ironic. Amirite?

**MeanGreenStompa**

Anyone that stands there and protests should, in an ideal world, be sealed in the same vat as the Westboro Baptish Church bastards and fired into the sun.

In the less than ideal world we live in, we should instead examine their paperwork and establish that none of them are on visas or in the immigration process. If any of them are, they should immediately be sent out of the country. Those that are citizens of this country should be placed on the list and watched closely as enemies of the state.

They are placing themselves in opposition to the good of the country and should be treated accordingly.

**loki old fart**

Cut their heads, off and impale them on traitors gate

**Albatross**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Anyone that stands there and protests should, in an ideal world, be sealed in the same vat as the Westboro Baptish Church bastards and fired into the sun.

In the less than ideal world we live in, we should instead examine their paperwork and establish that none of them are on visas or in the immigration process. If any of them are, they should immediately be sent out of the country. Those that are citizens of this country should be placed on the list and watched closely as enemies of the state.

They are placing themselves in opposition to the good of the country and should be treated accordingly.

Your viewpoints on a lot of things are remarkably similar to mine, considering that , on the face of it, we espouse almost diametrically opposed ideologies.

We should do what MGS said. Only problem is, we can't send them back to countries where they may be tortured. Which is a shame.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Albatross wrote:We should do what MGS said. Only problem is, we can't send them back to countries where they may be tortured. Which is a shame.

If they readily identify themselves as enemies of this state, of this nation's citizenry and espouse harm to us, we hold no obligation to grant sanctuary nor succour. The enemies of this nation's way of life and principles of freedom and democracy should be purged from our shores.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Status Quo or death.

**loki old fart**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Albatross wrote:We should do what MGS said. Only problem is, we can't send them back to countries where they may be tortured. Which is a shame.

If they readily identify themselves as enemies of this state, of this nation's citizenry and espouse harm to us, we hold no obligation to grant sanctuary nor succour. The enemies of this nation's way of life and principles of freedom and democracy should be purged from our shores.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Status Quo or death.

Saw them in concert at knebworth, brilliant

**Albatross**

THE QUO! IT BURNS!

**SilverMK2**

Albatross wrote:We should do what MGS said. Only problem is, we can't send them back to countries where they may be tortured. Which is a shame.

We can always send them for a trip to America...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they readily identify themselves as enemies of this state, of this nation's citizenry and espouse harm to us, we hold no obligation to grant sanctuary nor succour. The enemies of this nation's way of life and principles of freedom and democracy should be purged from our shores.

I did wonder whether they fell under the heading of spies, sabatours or enemies of the state. It would be interesting to see if that were the case.

**loki old fart**

Sedition in time off war

**mattyrm**

I wouldnt be suprised if they are all British born, i understand why so many of them are like they are. They have family living in places like Pakistan and they hate us because they absolutely enjoy being here and they feel guilty for it. And this makes them go all kinds of crazy.

You know.. sorta like

"Im going to kill these British pigs as soon as i get out of Flamingo Land ONE MORE GO ON THE WALTZERS ITS SO AWESOME THEN MORE ICE CREAM THEN DEATH!"

Kinda thing.

**SilverMK2**

mattyrm wrote:Kinda thing.

Sometimes I wish Dakka had a chuckle button