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**BluntmanDC**

Pilau Rice wrote: But the Geneseed of a lot of the Loyalist chapters suffer from flaws and geneseed isn't n never ending supply.

they have more than enough to keep the number of chapters at 1000, the difference between the flaws in the used geneseed is that they are minor compared to the massive flaws in the legions that turned to chaos, especially the thousand sons

**Laughing God**

BluntmanDC wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote: But the Geneseed of a lot of the Loyalist chapters suffer from flaws and geneseed isn't n never ending supply.

they have more than enough to keep the number of chapters at 1000, the difference between the flaws in the used geneseed is that they are minor compared to the massive flaws in the legions that turned to chaos, especially the thousand sons

Tell that to the flesh Tearers

I just think it would be nice for a logical explanation for why the blood ravens dont suffer their parent chapter mutation problem. Since there creation the 1k sons suffered the curse of randomly becoming spawn. Till magus struck a deal with warp powers and it stopped... for a while.

Maybe the rubric affected those 1k sons outside the eye different than it did the marines inside? So the curse was still lifted (as intended) but they didnt turn into dust? idk

**BluntmanDC**

Laughing God wrote: Till magus struck a deal with warp powers and it stopped... for a while.

the mutations only started again due to them turning to chaos and residing in the warp, so it is entirly possible that as the blood ravens stayed loyal the mutations did not restart

**Brother Heinrich**

BluntmanDC wrote:
Laughing God wrote: Till magus struck a deal with warp powers and it stopped... for a while.

the mutations only started again due to them turning to chaos and residing in the warp, so it is entirly possible that as the blood ravens stayed loyal the mutations did not restart

I hate to bring an unoffical fluff source *gasp* into this, but in A Thousand Sons its is explained that the deal Magnus made with Architect of Fate was a time sensitive deal, basically the inherent mutation was only held in check by the warp gods' power, when he rescinded his influence the rampant mutation once more took hold. Ahriman talks about this decline saying that by the time the legion was reunited with Magnus they were on their last legs and likely to be disbanded had it not been for Magnus' intervention. I highly doubt that a second founding chapter with the same geneseed as the 1k Sons would have made it 1 century, let alone 10 without the influence of something as powerful as a warp god keeping them from becoming gibbering balls of tentacles and eyes. which might be explained if each consecutive chapter master has made a pact with the gods or something, but it seems a stretch

**Laughing God**

BluntmanDC wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote: But the Geneseed of a lot of the Loyalist chapters suffer from flaws and geneseed isn't n never ending supply.

they have more than enough to keep the number of chapters at 1000, the difference between the flaws in the used geneseed is that they are minor compared to the massive flaws in the legions that turned to chaos, especially the thousand sons

Actually

Spoiler:

though like brother H said that was just in 1k sons by BL.

**Pilau Rice**

BluntmanDC wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote: But the Geneseed of a lot of the Loyalist chapters suffer from flaws and geneseed isn't a never ending supply.

they have more than enough to keep the number of chapters at 1000, the difference between the flaws in the used geneseed is that they are minor compared to the massive flaws in the legions that turned to chaos, especially the thousand sons

Not all of the traitor legions had flaws in their geneseed. According to the IA articles The Emperors Children had the purest geneseed and the Night Lords showed the least amount of mutation of any of the legions.

How is the Red Thirst or Curse of the Wulfen something minor?

So they might have Geneseed readily available but its isn't something that they can just conjure out of the air.

FOUNDING NEW CHAPTERS
According to their charter, each Chapter is obliged to send 5% of its genetic material to the Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars. This 'tithe' has two purposes. Firstly, it enables the Adeptus Mechanicus to monitor the health of each Marine Chapter. Secondly, it enables the Adeptus Mechanicus to store gene-seed with a view to founding new Chapters.

A new Chapter cannot be founded overnight. A single suitable gene-seed must be selected for each zygote. Zygotes are then grown in cultures and implanted into human test-slaves. These test-slaves must be biologically compatible and free from mutation. Test-slaves spend their entire lives bound in static experimental capsules. Although conscious, they are completely immobile, serving as little more than mediums within which the various zygotes can develop. From the original slave come two progenoids, which are implanted within two more slaves, from which come four progenoids and so on. It takes about 55 years of constant reproduction to produce 1,000 healthy sets of organs. These must be officially sanctioned by the Master of Adeptus Mechanicus and then by the High Lords of Terra speaking for the Emperor. Only the Emperor can give permission for the creation of a new Chapter.

Without harvesting the progenoid glands that's effectively the death of that chapter and any subsequent foundings.

Reproducing Zygotes

Gene-seed can only be obtained by removing one or both progenoid organs from a living (or very recently deceased) Marine. For this purpose, Space Marine Apothecaries carry a special device known as a redactor, which they can use in battlefield conditions to remove the progenoid glands of a fallen Marine. The whole purpose of the progenoid organ is to provide gene-seed to enable the Chapter to continue. It is not possible to create a zygote in any other way. Each Chapter's stock of gene-seed is therefore unique to itself. Gene-seed has a great deal of religious significance to a Chapter, representing its identity and future. Without gene-seed, a Chapter has no future. The extinction of a type of gene-seed means that a zygote has been lost forever. The extinction of a Phase 18 or 19 gene-seed would effectively mean an end to a Chapter

BluntmanDC wrote:
Laughing God wrote: Till magus struck a deal with warp powers and it stopped... for a while.

the mutations only started again due to them turning to chaos and residing in the warp, so it is entirly possible that as the blood ravens stayed loyal the mutations did not restart

A Thousand Sons would disagree with you here.

Brother Heinrich wrote:I highly doubt that a second founding chapter with the same geneseed as the 1k Sons would have made it 1 century, let alone 10 without the influence of something as powerful as a warp god keeping them from becoming gibbering balls of tentacles and eyes. which might be explained if each consecutive chapter master has made a pact with the gods or something, but it seems a stretch

It is most likely that they were of the 21st Founding and the one of the processes of this founding was to remove deficiencies in flawed Gene seed. Although a Librarian of the 5th Company did go rogue after falling to Chaos