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Nah otherwise we would have people saying "I have 5 pain tokens to I can re-roll my FNP and recive +2S +2I on the charge." - we really would =_=

Anglacon -except it was about Combat Drugs, NOT pain tokens.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Anglacon -except it was about Combat Drugs, NOT pain tokens.

And the drugs gave the tokens....

Anglacon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Anglacon -except it was about Combat Drugs, NOT pain tokens.

And the drugs gave the tokens....

Speaking of which, Sliscus has combat drugs, but Sliscus seems intended for joining warriors, combat drugs roll a 6. his "affected units start the game with a pain token"

Sliscus' unit must get a pain token, because at the beginning of the game he is already declared apart of that unit, before deployment.

"Pick a unit of Kabalite warriors or a unit of Kabalite trueborn at the beginning of the game. Sliscus must be deployed with this unit." p.51

So this means he is declared with this unit before the roll for combat drugs. So the unit is established as the warriors and Sliscus.

The unit must be able to receive a pain token and the whole unit benefits from it.

Pain tokens must be an exception to the IC cant benefit others with special rules, because If an Archon is separate at the beginning of the game, received a pain token from combat drugs, and later joined some wyches. It would seem preposterous that the wyches ignore the benefits of a pain token in their unit, and if their unit also had a pain token of their own, it would be ludicrous if they couldn't share the pain. (It's the only thing Dark Eldar do share)

Gorechild wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote: if an IC has a special rule and joins a unit, the unit does not benefit from the special rule

(I think...I don't have the codex with me atm) Combat drugs is a piece of wargear that confers the bonus, not a special rule.

This is true. but as it is individual wargear then it is only the archon that benefits

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote: if an IC has a special rule and joins a unit, the unit does not benefit from the special rule

(I think...I don't have the codex with me atm) Combat drugs is a piece of wargear that confers the bonus, not a special rule.

This is true. but as it is individual wargear then it is only the archon that benefits

But because it gives the model a pain token it is still applies to the 'sharing the pain' rule.

GoDz KI11JOY x wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote: if an IC has a special rule and joins a unit, the unit does not benefit from the special rule

(I think...I don't have the codex with me atm) Combat drugs is a piece of wargear that confers the bonus, not a special rule.

This is true. but as it is individual wargear then it is only the archon that benefits

But because it gives the model a pain token it is still applies to the 'sharing the pain' rule.

sure, the combat drugs only effect the character who has the dispensor or models that have the rule. but when the effect is, "starts with a pain token" it only effect the bearer. IE the bearer starts with a pain token. Then the rules for pain tokens come into play and they say that pain tokens can be shared.

its like a phantasmal grenade launcher. normally grenades only benefit the bearer, but the special rules for the launcher says "everyone in the squad gets the benefit."

Exergy wrote:

GoDz KI11JOY x wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote: if an IC has a special rule and joins a unit, the unit does not benefit from the special rule

(I think...I don't have the codex with me atm) Combat drugs is a piece of wargear that confers the bonus, not a special rule.

This is true. but as it is individual wargear then it is only the archon that benefits

But because it gives the model a pain token it is still applies to the 'sharing the pain' rule.

sure, the combat drugs only effect the character who has the dispensor or models that have the rule. but when the effect is, "starts with a pain token" it only effect the bearer. IE the bearer starts with a pain token. Then the rules for pain tokens come into play and they say that pain tokens can be shared.

its like a phantasmal grenade launcher. normally grenades only benefit the bearer, but the special rules for the launcher says "everyone in the squad gets the benefit."

Yes but when a character joins a unit the pain tokens are stacked in the squad from both the character and the squad.