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Melissia wrote:I doubt a terminator could withstand "hours" of concentrated lasgun fire.

Plasma weaponry generates enough heat to penetrate terminator armor. Enough lasgun fire concentrated on a set of terminator armor for even a few minutes would produce enough heat to destroy it.

Plasma weapons are produce an exponentially greater amount of heat then a Lasgun.


my guess is that it takes over 300 lasguns to equal a Plasma shot.


Terminator armor would last a very long time, prehaps not hours, but long enough for it's wearer to get in close and slaughter the pathetic guardsmen in CC

You could just cook the person inside of the armor if you fired at him long enough with enough lasguns.

actually no, because Ceramite doesn't conduct heat at all.

Mr Nobody wrote:You could just cook the person inside of the armor if you fired at him long enough with enough lasguns.

I think the armour would give way first... although if you spread the heat all over the armour it would be possible i think.

That's what I was think, if you have hundreds of lasguns aimed at a single terminator, then would end heating the inside up before peircing a point on the armor.

Mr Nobody wrote:That's what I was think, if you have hundreds of lasguns aimed at a single terminator, then would end heating the inside up before peircing a point on the armor.

Depends on the properties of whatever combination of metals they use are.

like i said earlier, Ceramite copnducts almost no heat.

the armor would give way before it fried the guy inside.

source here

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ceramite

RayvenQ wrote:

prophane wrote:Thanks all, insightful posts all around. Now I only wish that there'd be a detailed drawing of a lasgun/bolter, showing the power adjuster switch and semi/auto switch and such bels and whistles. I guess I'll just have to make stuff up when drawing it.

Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, Page 19 for the Lasgun.

Thanks! I checked it out and it was definitely useful! Is there an equivalent for the space marines?

Either way, Terminators are like walking fortresses. The armor has been described in fluff as nearly indestructible and you have to roll a one to fail a termi armor save. I think we can rest assured that your average guardsmen doesn't stand a chance.

well, Bolters are on Page 65.


the original Rogue Trader books had an armory section with all the race's different weapons(those that existed at the time) and fluff descriptions. this is one area which has remained pretty much the same as far as fluff goes.

If it's just one gun how is it "concentrated"?

Concentrated fire can be from a single weapons platform, though if its only one weapon to have much of a concentrated effect it would most likely need to be a SAW or GPMG or Heavy MG of some kind. I suppose even a single IFV's Auto-cannon or a Revolving or automatic grenade launcher would work.

But if its Guardsmen I don't think a single Las Rifle could count as concentrated fire.

If it is only shooting the one place all of the lasgun fire is concentrated to that one place.

A squad even of guardsmen couldn't take down a terminator. And one shot from any bolter model would arip a guardsmen to pieces.

Well yeah.
The point is armour v. weapons in a controlled environment where the armour isn't moving 'nor is it shooting back.

In that environment perhaps enough lasgun fire over time could penetrate termie armor, and standard armor faster. But the fact remains that purely equipment wise guardsmen aren't as well armed or defended as marines.

These scans are from "Wargear" printed in 2005. Hope it helps.

Draglide12 wrote:In that environment perhaps enough lasgun fire over time could penetrate termie armor, and standard armor faster. But the fact remains that purely equipment wise guardsmen aren't as well armed or defended as marines.

Well duh.
But that's not what we are asking or answering.
The OP's question was about whether it was posible for a lasgun to penetrate differet types of armour as well as other questions.

IvanTih wrote:Well 30 Hellguns firing on a marine will melt the PA chestplate.Can't remeber were I read it.
In Storm of Iron Lasgun fire from the guardsmen (seems like most of the clip really) breaches Honsou's armour and injures him.

I remembered something like that from Dark Apostle, IG were dropping in on the marines with hellguns and meltin them left and right

As for chaos fluff to read?
Night lords novels, i think there was a short story called skull harvest from.... I don't remember, word bearer novels (i.e. dark apostle)

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

IvanTih wrote:Well 30 Hellguns firing on a marine will melt the PA chestplate.Can't remeber were I read it.

prehaps the IG codex under the weapon profile section?

And, again, it isn't thirty hellguns. Just ONE hellgun will melt power armor.

Thirty hellguns will melt the entire suit of PA AND the MArine inside. That's three squads of stormtroopers all focus firing on one Marine. The Marine is well and truly fethed, and I don't care if they're in PA or TA (armor penetration in tabletop isn't perfectly like it is in the fluff-- bolters can, for example, shatter a carapace plate, though they're unlikely to penetrate entirely) thirty hellguns on them at once means they're dead. Simple as that.

Melissia wrote:And, again, it isn't thirty hellguns. Just ONE hellgun will melt power armor.

Thirty hellguns will melt the entire suit of PA AND the MArine inside. That's three squads of stormtroopers all focus firing on one Marine. The Marine is well and truly fethed, and I don't care if they're in PA or TA (armor penetration in tabletop isn't perfectly like it is in the fluff-- bolters can, for example, shatter a carapace plate, though they're unlikely to penetrate entirely) thirty hellguns on them at once means they're dead. Simple as that.

I agree. IIRC, in Dark Apostle, many wordbearers were cut down before they could fire off a shot, and those who could were swarmed and killed leaving gaping melty holes... of death...