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O.k did a few test games against chaos, nids, tau, the devys (6 x4ml) with a priest and scouts (5, 1 ml) didnt mesh well for me in a heavy razor build.

I was better off bringing ad additional assault unit to hold a forward objective and stick within the deady ball of razorbacks and respond/assault

if you take dante and a libby change that vv into an honor guard for the priest bonus

After a few test games of my own I have decided upon the following list. Devs were only worthwhile if they got in from reserve turn two, as they had limited impact coming in on turn 3 and did very little if arriving turn 4.

HQ

Dante-225
Honor Guard(3xMelta,SS,JP)-215

Elites
Sang Priestx2(JP)-150

Troops
Assault Squadx10(Meltax2,PF)-235
Assault Squadx10(Meltax2,PF)-235

Fast Attack
VVS(SS,LC,GE,Meltabombs)-205
VVS(SSx2,GE,PF,Meltabombs)-235

Second Vanguard Vet Squad is oriented more for tankbusting after a Heroic Intervention(2 storm shields since they will need to survive a round of shooting before being locked into CC) while the first is more infantry oriented. Thanks for everything guys!

what does GE mean?

I like that list, seems like its doing you some good!

I think its the glave...

hazal wrote:I think its the glave...

o_o i thought glave was pretty bad, as in a power weapon or a LC would be better

Glave Encarmine, its a master crafted power weapon which rerolls to hit so I don't see how it can be that bad , its worked for me at least unless theres some negative aspect to it that I have not realized.

You have one less attack since its a 2 handed weapon. So one more attack or one reroll on hit. Of this one extra attack > one reroll at a lower value.

If I am not mistaken.

I lose one attack but wouldn't i reroll to hit all of my attacks if using the GE, considering that all attacks would come from the glaive and none from a bonus CC weapon.

So assuming I have the charge being that it is the VVS that I have the glaive with thats 3 attacks that I can reroll to hit for vs 4 regular attacks. I feel like the odds to hit are better with three rerollable attacks that four regular ones.

i believe GE is mastercrafted, which only allows one reroll, i could be wrong. i never use them.

Ah I read it wrong, so its 3 attacks with 1 reroll to hit vs 4 attacks. Seems even to me but I will play a game with and without the Glaive and see if either makes a difference.

Lax35 wrote:Ah I read it wrong, so its 3 attacks with 1 reroll to hit vs 4 attacks. Seems even to me but I will play a game with and without the Glaive and see if either makes a difference.

Its about even, except that the max attacks vs regular is one less. So its effectively same chances except capped at 3 hits instead of 4....

Slso isnt it 15 pts? i cant remember the cost, you would be better off with a LC though

Only the VV Sarge can have a Glaive, and its free with the other options being a lightning claw and power sword. LC may be better, if only I could find another one .

Ordering some Sanguinary Guard models to convert to an Honour Guard, figured I'd put their glaives to good use .

If I manage to find another LC or two it would probably be the better option, but if not I don't think glaives are the worst.

Lax35 wrote:Only the VV Sarge can have a Glaive, and its free with the other options being a lightning claw and power sword. LC may be better, if only I could find another one .

Ordering some Sanguinary Guard models to convert to an Honour Guard, figured I'd put their glaives to good use .

If I manage to find another LC or two it would probably be the better option, but if not I don't think glaives are the worst.

I wish glaive had been at least reroll all to hit or a + to str, i mean 2+ would be great 1+ would make it reasonable to take.

Its just silly that it works out worse than a power sword

Yeah you would think that the benefit would be greater for giving up an attack, but worse then a power sword? Granted I've only tested the Glaives once but how are they worse then a power sword? Power sword gives you one more non-power weapon attack from a pistol, but even if it is only 1 reroll to hit I would imagine it would at least break even?

Lax35 wrote:Yeah you would think that the benefit would be greater for giving up an attack, but worse then a power sword? Granted I've only tested the Glaives once but how are they worse then a power sword? Power sword gives you one more non-power weapon attack from a pistol, but even if it is only 1 reroll to hit I would imagine it would at least break even?

well on average it will be even, its just that the max attacks with power sword is 4 but the max with glaive is 3...

Its like rolling 4 dice for each but if all hit then glaive loses 1 attack...

(if its a free upgrade then take it because its cheaper than spending 15 pts on a PW)