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Footsloggin wrote:^ Still, this doesn't stop their invasions, and with the Tyranid forces approaching from every possible direction, Craft-Worlds are bound to be caught within their path.

However... *CoughDoomofMalan'taiCoughHackChokeDie*

Space isn't like a highway. There are more than two roads going each way. Space is huge almost beyond our comprehension; hence why Earth hasn't been obliterated by passing asteroids or meteors i nthe past, oh, 30 billion years.

The webway itself isn't just something anyone can waltz into: the Imperium has yet to crack it, and iirc the Emperor has been attempting it for millenia. Even if they COULD crack into it, again, it isn't just a highway. The webway is massive, and while Commoragh is huge itself, there are parts of it the DE and other races as a whole don't know about. If the Nids could even get into the webway, odds are better they find some unspeakable horror that destroys them than the DE (and even if they found them, good luck getting through Commorag )

And if you've read the Doom of Malan'tai's codex page, he is an anomaly even to the Tyranids, not the norm.

The Doom was a mutation yes. And I know that space does not have direction, as there is nothing to compare it to. I'm just saying that the Tyranids would have the ability to gain knowledge of the webway.

Clone several hundred of The Doom of Malantai and send them out to hunt for craft worlds
Poor Eldar gone...

Now the Dark Eldar would be impossible to kill as the hive mind would have to launch a full scale invasion on Commaragh, which is quite simply unreachable.

theduncan wrote:Clone several hundred of The Doom of Malantai and send them out to hunt for craft worlds
Poor Eldar gone...

Now the Dark Eldar would be impossible to kill as the hive mind would have to launch a full scale invasion on Commaragh, which is quite simply unreachable.

The DoM just on it's own? I think the Eldar would win that...
And Commaragh isn't impossible to get to, the Salamanders proved how very possible it is to get to.

Does any one here not under stand that the eldar can just move into the web way and sit thier for a long time. I mean sure you can kill some of the craftworlds but craftworlds like Lugganath are already sustaining life in the web way. If you guys also havent noticed the map with eldar shown on it the Beil Tan craftworld is well within the range of hive fleet Leviathan. They are the spear holding back the animals. The Biel-tan specialize in killing swarming armys like orks so thier tipickly good at killing nids. Also If nids ever became smrt enough to hold the mind of an eldar for a day they would be able to brake free from the hive minds controle. If the Humans gratest phycers can barly understan the eldar language than how the heck do you expect the nids to navigate through thier brain. Plus if thier was some one taken over by a nid he would become canabolistic and would be murdered. I mean i know quit a bit about eldar so i dont think that nids would be able to take them over or be able to make a full extermination of the eldar forces.

I'm not saying they would do it. As much as I love the nids they arent the most tactical of creatures, although they are intelligent they are much like orks, get on a planet, swarm the enemy and rip em to shreds. thas just a possibility, they would rather swarm, and its probably a better method to. By the way my friend told me that orks and nids are kind of ally's. I mean, they dont like each other but they will avoid each other and when its a 3 army fight like nids vs orks vs marines, nids and orks will team up to kill the marines.


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'pulple food' I think you are under eastimating the power of the DoM. oh and about not killing dark eldar, that is true. However, where they are means they cannot kill the nids, so they will just go wiping out the galaxy till they have 1 planet left and the biggest fleet created (I'm not saying they will kill everything for sure, but its nids they have billions of hive fleets) than that fleet would just go down and obilterate everything. Then the tyranids would go into a mass frenzy over biomass and kill each other till the race is wiped out and the hive mind is bored and commits suicide. I wish I was the hive mind.......


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oh and eldrad (eldar fan-boy, although I cant talk), the yes the nids are not that intelligent however the hive mind is more than any of your little eldarz. And obviously he controls alot of the nids and the ones he does not control are very intelligent to. And just becuase you have troops which are good at killing nids doesnt mean they always win, that like me saying that a carnifex with crushing claws will always kill a tank.

Cant I speak to a nid collector about this, they are more intelligent about the tyranids.

theduncan wrote:Clone several hundred of The Doom of Malantai and send them out to hunt for craft worlds
Poor Eldar gone...

The Doom only survived becuase the mycetic spore it was in went undetected and it somehow wound up at the infinity circuit.

Now the Dark Eldar would be impossible to kill as the hive mind would have to launch a full scale invasion on Commaragh, which is quite simply unreachable.

1) Other poster have shomn the 'reachability' of Commoragh

2) If the Dark Eldar had little to no slaves to prey on (due to gribbly death by tyranid) then Dark Eldar society would collapse. Metaphorically, but quite possibly also in a literal sense if things got out of hand.

Footsloggin wrote:^ Still, this doesn't stop their invasions, and with the Tyranid forces approaching from every possible direction, Craft-Worlds are bound to be caught within their path.

However... *CoughDoomofMalan'taiCoughHackChokeDie*

Not really. Space is very, very big, I mean huge! And mostly completely empty. There would need to be enough Tyranid ships to fill hundreds of millions of cubic light years of space for them not to miss Eldar ships that cleared out of their path. Tyranids can't afford to do that. The pay off isn't worth the cost.

I see what your getting at, and the Nids would not have an easy time destroying the eldar, however, they have run into craftworlds, and they will continue to if their expanse continues. Whether or not the craftworld survives is up for question, I was just trying to state that if a lictor gains hold of an eldar who has any form of knowledge of the Webway itself, that the Hive Mind would then have knowledge of the Webway, what it would do with this knowledge is debateable, however, it would more than likely hinder the Eldar more than help it... Unless they trap the Webway further...

purplefood wrote:

theduncan wrote:Clone several hundred of The Doom of Malantai and send them out to hunt for craft worlds
Poor Eldar gone...

Now the Dark Eldar would be impossible to kill as the hive mind would have to launch a full scale invasion on Commaragh, which is quite simply unreachable.

The DoM just on it's own? I think the Eldar would win that...
And Commaragh isn't impossible to get to, the Salamanders proved how very possible it is to get to.

Sure, because Vect let them in

Retribution wrote:

purplefood wrote:

theduncan wrote:Clone several hundred of The Doom of Malantai and send them out to hunt for craft worlds
Poor Eldar gone...

Now the Dark Eldar would be impossible to kill as the hive mind would have to launch a full scale invasion on Commaragh, which is quite simply unreachable.

The DoM just on it's own? I think the Eldar would win that...
And Commaragh isn't impossible to get to, the Salamanders proved how very possible it is to get to.

Sure, because Vect let them in

Yeah and whose to say someone else won't let them in in an attempt to get rid of Vect.


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ostrich160 wrote:I'm not saying they would do it. As much as I love the nids they arent the most tactical of creatures, although they are intelligent they are much like orks, get on a planet, swarm the enemy and rip em to shreds. thas just a possibility, they would rather swarm, and its probably a better method to. By the way my friend told me that orks and nids are kind of ally's. I mean, they dont like each other but they will avoid each other and when its a 3 army fight like nids vs orks vs marines, nids and orks will team up to kill the marines.


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'pulple food' I think you are under eastimating the power of the DoM. oh and about not killing dark eldar, that is true. However, where they are means they cannot kill the nids, so they will just go wiping out the galaxy till they have 1 planet left and the biggest fleet created (I'm not saying they will kill everything for sure, but its nids they have billions of hive fleets) than that fleet would just go down and obilterate everything. Then the tyranids would go into a mass frenzy over biomass and kill each other till the race is wiped out and the hive mind is bored and commits suicide. I wish I was the hive mind.......


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oh and eldrad (eldar fan-boy, although I cant talk), the yes the nids are not that intelligent however the hive mind is more than any of your little eldarz. And obviously he controls alot of the nids and the ones he does not control are very intelligent to. And just becuase you have troops which are good at killing nids doesnt mean they always win, that like me saying that a carnifex with crushing claws will always kill a tank.

Cant I speak to a nid collector about this, they are more intelligent about the tyranids.

Nids wouldn't team up with Orks and Orks wouldn't team up with Nids.
They probably wouldn't even try to avoid each other as they are both aggressive races.

I'm not underestimating the DoM he killed an entire craftworld when he had drained their infinity circuit. He is incredibly powerful. So are Eldar. If you simply sent him against a craftworld he would be torn to pieces before he could land.

The Hive Mind isn't a thing. It is the collective consciousness of all of the Nids.
There is evidence to show that Eldar, Tau, Orks and IoM are all adapting to fight the Nids.

The fact that Vect will always pull a Vect ; unless they really want to replace him in 15 years with DE 8th ed

Retribution wrote:The fact that Vect will always pull a Vect ; unless they really want to replace him in 15 years with DE 8th ed

So if some completly unknown DE Lord opens a gate and lets an Imperial battlefleet in Vect will be able to stop him?
What if it happens in under an hour or so?
How will Vect stop him then?
It is possible, Vect did it and so others can.

purplefood wrote:

Retribution wrote:The fact that Vect will always pull a Vect ; unless they really want to replace him in 15 years with DE 8th ed

So if some completly unknown DE Lord opens a gate and lets an Imperial battlefleet in Vect will be able to stop him?
What if it happens in under an hour or so?
How will Vect stop him then?
It is possible, Vect did it and so others can.

If a single Battlefleet was all but completely destroyed in an engagement with an Eldar Craftworld then Commoragh could prove a lot tougher to handle. However, the inevtibale slave uprising (excepting those thoroughly cowed) would definitely hinder any Dark Eldar defence. And given that the DE don't work too well on the back foot anyway, and that their Space Fleets are laughable, I think a Battlefleet's chance of devestating Commoragh could prove very possible.

It wouldn't even take a DE Lord to betray Vect. All you'd need is someone with a decent grasp of the webway, either a Harlequin or an Inquisitor who has been been working a little too closely with the Eldar.

purplefood wrote:There is evidence to show that Eldar, Tau, Orks and IoM are all adapting to fight the Nids.

The 'Nids are adapting fast too though, the 'Nids literally adapted to prevent the Tau pulse rifles from affecting them. The Tau were thus forced to use Kroot Rifles, as they were the only things that worked...

Footsloggin wrote:

purplefood wrote:There is evidence to show that Eldar, Tau, Orks and IoM are all adapting to fight the Nids.

The 'Nids are adapting fast too though, the 'Nids literally adapted to prevent the Tau pulse rifles from affecting them. The Tau were thus forced to use Kroot Rifles, as they were the only things that worked...

I mean in tactics. Although the Tau tech is probably going to have to adapt to the tyranids.
The IoM began sacrificing worls that they couldn't defend and exterminatusing (not a real word i know) them so the Tyranids didn't get any bio-stuff from them.
They then began to catch lictors and such and from them create a genetically engineered virus to kill the tyranids.
Eldar and Orks just do their thing.

I'd imagine the orks would care less, and rather like having the tyranids around, kinda a symbiotic realationship really...

Kilkrazy wrote:

Not really. Space is very, very big, I mean huge! And mostly completely empty.

Or to put it another way:
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
-HGTTG

Eldrad wrote:
Plus if thier was some one taken over by a nid he would become canabolistic and would be murdered.

Not necessarily. I can't speculate on whether the Farseers would detect their corruption, but there are Nids that attack in discrete manners: Lictors, Genestealers. They don't just attempt to swarm the enemy, but stay in shadows until the main fleet arrives.

IMO if a enough Lictors alone got into a Craftworld they would cause massive causalities, while exuding a pheromone trail for the rest of the fleet the whole time. Heck, if even one Lictor got onboard a Craftworld, it would just hide out while signaling the rest of the Fleet.

Footsloggin wrote:I'd imagine the orks would care less, and rather like having the tyranids around, kinda a symbiotic realationship really...

Sorry buddy, but that ain't happening. Indeed, the orks view the Nids like they view every other race they've met; a chance for a cracking fight. Don't believe me? Check out the Tyranid invasion of the Ork empire of Octavius. Also, the orks' habit of hunting out genestealers on any Space Hulks they capture.

No, I didn't meant them allies, Hell no. I'm saying how the Orks relish combat, and love the battle. Meanwhile the Tyranids, want to consume, and so, they do. In this, the two will continue to duke it out in Octavius.

Ah, I see. Cool, then, I completely agree.

What I gathered from the Planetstrike fluff on the capital of the Octavius Empire was that the tide of battle was in favour of the Nids. Distinctly so.

Well, the 'Nids do gain a MASSIVE amount of Biomass from orks. I mean, the 'Nids were outnumbered in some battles, and if/when they win, they gain a substantial amount of Biomass from the Green Tide and its Spores...

All and all i think that eldar would symply run away. Plus nids dont have the tools to do anything even if they had they would have to find a web way gate.

What if genestealers found their way onto a craftworld and hitched a ride into the webway. To avoid capture they could go into hibernation, suppressing any mental activity the warlocks might pick up on.

Mr Nobody wrote:What if genestealers found their way onto a craftworld and hitched a ride into the webway. To avoid capture they could go into hibernation, suppressing any mental activity the warlocks might pick up on.

The problem with this is that Eldar aren't dumb.
They would probably have guards or at least checks in place.
The OP's idea was okay but it wouldn't be easy. The easiest way for nids to kill Eldar is to do what they're doing now.

I think that the whole thing is semi rediculace. I mean do you no how hard it is to kill off a race it wouldn't be easy any way you put it. Also trying to take down the Biel-tan that have spcialize tanks for killing swarms if things and then nutralizing spors that may have came out wouldnt be easy to take down.


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They dont need to cuz they already pwn them lol

I find it hard to believe the OP's theory being even remotely possible.

Just for the simple fact of how farseer's are already described in GW fluff, they see threads of the future some things hundreds of years into the future. If it were to affect a single Eldar I find it difficult to imagine that that individual would live a very long time, as the (the Eldar) would inevitably pick on up something wrong with this phycic essence.

Besides it's just not grimdark enough for 40k.

If Tyranids could travel the web wouldn't they just use it to move and eat up all the human worlds instead? They could travel faster and unnoticed. Humans would be boned much more than Eldar if this happens imho.