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Death Company are the best all around CC troops. They're cheaper that Khorne Berzerkers with pretty much the same stat line, can take more PW weapons, and have FNP. I wouldn't count Nobs because they're technically elites.

Edit:

10 Death Company, with 3 Power Weapons and 1 Power Fist, come out to 270 points. They also have Furious Charge, Feel No Pain, and are Fearless. On the charge, 24 WS5 S5 I5 attacks, 12 WS5 S5 I5 power weapon attacks, and 3 WS5 S9 power fist attacks. That's a lot of hurt.

For 271 one points you can only get 10 Berzerkers and a Champion with a power fist. They'll put out a lot of pain, but it will be less than Death Co and they don't even come close to Death Co's survivability.

For 267 points you can take 12 Genestealers and Broodlord (they all have FC). These guys put out 36 WS6 S5 I7 RENDING attacks on the charge + the Broodlord's 5 WS7 S6 I8 attacks. They are without a doubt the best offensive troops, but have a terrible save that is ignored by most attacks.

Of course for 270 points you can take 45 Ork Boyz. But their low I will keep them from doing more damage than the other troops I mentioned.

The Black Rage really kills their bid to be the best close combat Troop unit. Khorne Berzerkers at least have the option of scoring. And going where they're needed.

Also, who takes glands on genestealers when sacs are so much better?

Just saying.

Depends on where you put them on the model...

Nurglitch wrote:The Black Rage really kills their bid to be the best close combat Troop unit. Khorne Berzerkers at least have the option of scoring. And going where they're needed.

Mechanized is hard?

Nurglitch wrote:Depends on where you put them on the model...

Lul, I see what you did there!

The basic Ork, as has already been stated, is astounding.

That said, I think there's a good case for other units. Tyranid Warriors are really cool, and can scythe their way through just about anything, unless its got something that can inflict ID, in which case they just fall apart sadly. But christ can they put out some hurt.

i personally Vote for Daemonnettes or Bloodletters.

Sure they can be easy to kill, but boys die easier, at least these two deamons ALWAYS have a save (okay, so not always, sometimes a wraithscythe or daemonhunter gets to em!) But still, you don't really bank on the save as much as at least having one! sure a 5+ is rought, but then again it dosnt matter if its a Power weapon hitting them or a las cannon, they all treat it the same.

Daemonnettes are I6 which is nice, with a nice amount of attacks, with Rending! Rending is key as they can even rip open Armour (as long as its not AV14!)


Bloodletters however are getting my "all star" award for the "Scariest Troop CC unit" Mostly cause NO ONE likes or even WANTS to get hit by these guys, the fact they are I4, T4, S4 normally, means they will go before boys, they have a decent amount of attacks are fearless and have invuls, not o mention they all carry power weapons!...its when they assualt that you know something is going to just die. a squad of 15 is right about where you wanna run them so thats a Very large amount of attacks, and if they get the charge on a boy squad chances are you just wiped the whole squad out, if you dont roll like i do and roll half ones!


But still i think Bloodletters are the best CC Troop choice!

Double lightning claw Deathwing do well for the amount of them you get. Now if only we could bring more to the party...

I think the last thing I want to see getting close is bloodletters though, faced against a unit of them in the first round in a local tourney. My units turned into a large red slick on the dirt.

Comparison should be made at a cost/effectiveness basis.
Wyches (with FNP) or Wracks are quite good as are Ork boyz.

Nightrave wrote:Bloodletters however are getting my "all star" award for the "Scariest Troop CC unit" Mostly cause NO ONE likes or even WANTS to get hit by these guys, the fact they are I4, T4, S4 normally, means they will go before boys, they have a decent amount of attacks are fearless and have invuls, not o mention they all carry power weapons!...its when they assualt that you know something is going to just die. a squad of 15 is right about where you wanna run them so thats a Very large amount of attacks, and if they get the charge on a boy squad chances are you just wiped the whole squad out, if you dont roll like i do and roll half ones!


But still i think Bloodletters are the best CC Troop choice!

I see your Bloodletters, and raise you my Genestealers. I6, re-rolls to wound, hit you on 3's.

For me its between Khorne Berserkers and Ork Boyz. Zerkers will walk through fire and smash face, Orks will soak up fire then devastate you.

Fire Warriors.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Nightrave wrote:Bloodletters however are getting my "all star" award for the "Scariest Troop CC unit" Mostly cause NO ONE likes or even WANTS to get hit by these guys, the fact they are I4, T4, S4 normally, means they will go before boys, they have a decent amount of attacks are fearless and have invuls, not o mention they all carry power weapons!...its when they assualt that you know something is going to just die. a squad of 15 is right about where you wanna run them so thats a Very large amount of attacks, and if they get the charge on a boy squad chances are you just wiped the whole squad out, if you dont roll like i do and roll half ones!


But still i think Bloodletters are the best CC Troop choice!

I see your Bloodletters, and raise you my Genestealers. I6, re-rolls to wound, hit you on 3's.

I see your Genestealers, Stand in terrien, and Slaughter them all before they get to attack! hitting on 4's wounding on 4's ALL powerweapons vs no armour saves!

(besides i'd still get my 5 ups! even if you rend! )

Also why do they hit on 3's? they arent WS 6 as well as I6 are they? i mean BL are still WS5...

It's the obvious...
It goes without saying...
Can crush any other troop unit in CC...
Practically unstoppable...
The best troop CC unit is...
PATHFINDERS!!!
really? for me, ork boys/genestealers/BA assault squad/DC.