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Laughing God wrote:How can the C'tan escape the outsider? HE ATE THEM drained them of there lives, it doesnt explain anywere there is any possiblity of those C'tan coming back. Just wishful assumption at best. AND it is hinted the the outsider locked himself inside the dyson sphere in the southern most part of the galaxy in his maddness.

The Outsiders madness came from the fact that parts of the other C'tan which it had consumed remained within it and which drove it insane and led to it's exile. Like I said IF those fragments where released there would be other C'tan.

Im sorry if you believe 40k applies real hard physics to there fluff then you are mistaken. In a galaxy with magic, psykers, and hell dimensions you honestly believe they are going to go the extra mile to make sure that the C'tan use real justafiable science to explane the supernatural things they do... you must be high. Look up the tyranid narval organizm for me and explain to me how that works in actualy non science FICTION.

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The whole point of science fiction is to expand on the boundries of reality and unlike what was said earlier if technology hasen't had imaginary advancements then they can have no imaginary effects on society. The 40k universe is a futuristic setting, things exist that do not exist in the real world including discoveries we have not made or may not ever make.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The whole point of science fiction is to expand on the boundries of reality and unlike what was said earlier if technology hasen't had imaginary advancements then they can have no imaginary effects on society. The 40k universe is a futuristic setting, things exist that do not exist in the real world including discoveries we have not made or may not ever make.

-What about the communicator from Star Trek: The Original Series? It was decades before that became a reality, (though technically the technology has been around since the 30's and AT&T suppressed it, but that's another story).
Cell phones anyone, or every Satellite phones to fully match the fiction.

-What about space elevators? Scientist know how to make them (carbon-nano tubes), they just don't have the technology to economically or consistently create the parts. Who know how long it will take to perfect the technology.
-The Chinese (I think it was them), are successfully messing with the groundwork for real work teleportation. It may be hundreds of years before it becomes practical, but the the technology has started.
-Robotic and A.I. technology has made leaps and bounds in last decade. Certain Sci-Fi deceptions of robots, exo-suits and independent A.I. system could be reality in a matter or 20 years or less.
These aren't imaginary, but some of them are so far off they seem that way, other seemed impossible only ten years ago.


On a separate point is 40k Science Fiction (Star Trek) or Science Fantasy (Star Wars)? The first generally tries to follow the law of physics, the second says 'this thing-ma-jig does some cool, don't ask me how it works.'
It seems to me like 40k is in the middle leaning more towards Science Fantasy. Some parts of the fluff completely go against our current knowledge of the universe and how it works.


Also everyones favorite Arthur C. Clarke quote: "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". If you were to travel 500 years into the future, the tech would blow you mind.


I apologize for my sporadic train of thought, but that how it came it

Thanks guys this has help quite a lot explaining something i can't really find anything out about, but i have one last question if the C'tan absorb energy the could their power be increased if they absorb more and more energy? or doesn't that make sense?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The Outsiders madness came from the fact that parts of the other C'tan which it had consumed remained within it and which drove it insane and led to it's exile. Like I said IF those fragments where released there would be other C'tan.

On what evidence? Ur saying if the outsider died then all those C'tan energy form would be released back into space? I dont think thats how it works, but none of use really know what could happen so if thats what you chose to believe would happen then so be it. Just understand thats ur take on it, not fact.

oldone wrote:Thanks guys this has help quite a lot explaining something i can't really find anything out about, but i have one last question if the C'tan absorb energy the could their power be increased if they absorb more and more energy? or doesn't that make sense?

Yes the more energy (life, solar, C'tan) that C'tan consume the more powerful they become. They are star vampires. There is no limit to how god like they can be. There only known weakness that can hurt them in there natural state though seems to be warp energy as they are made up of nothing but real space.

Grass4hopper wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The whole point of science fiction is to expand on the boundries of reality and unlike what was said earlier if technology hasen't had imaginary advancements then they can have no imaginary effects on society. The 40k universe is a futuristic setting, things exist that do not exist in the real world including discoveries we have not made or may not ever make.

-What about the communicator from Star Trek: The Original Series? It was decades before that became a reality, (though technically the technology has been around since the 30's and AT&T suppressed it, but that's another story).
Cell phones anyone, or every Satellite phones to fully match the fiction.

-What about space elevators? Scientist know how to make them (carbon-nano tubes), they just don't have the technology to economically or consistently create the parts. Who know how long it will take to perfect the technology.
-The Chinese (I think it was them), are successfully messing with the groundwork for real work teleportation. It may be hundreds of years before it becomes practical, but the the technology has started.
-Robotic and A.I. technology has made leaps and bounds in last decade. Certain Sci-Fi deceptions of robots, exo-suits and independent A.I. system could be reality in a matter or 20 years or less.
These aren't imaginary, but some of them are so far off they seem that way, other seemed impossible only ten years ago.

I'm not sure what you're asking. My entire point is that as a futuristic setting there are advancements in the 40k universe that we currently don't have and may never have, that dosen't make them impossible. You've even supported this in that many examples of science fiction from the past have gone on to inspire most of our technological advancements. What at one point is nothing but an imagined advancement in technology could eventually become a reality. I'm not really sure if you understood what I was saying.


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Laughing God wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The Outsiders madness came from the fact that parts of the other C'tan which it had consumed remained within it and which drove it insane and led to it's exile. Like I said IF those fragments where released there would be other C'tan.

On what evidence? Ur saying if the outsider died then all those C'tan energy form would be released back into space? I dont think thats how it works, but none of use really know what could happen so if thats what you chose to believe would happen then so be it. Just understand thats ur take on it, not fact.

You'll note I never said that the Outsider had to die in order for these C'tan to be released. And yes I should have said that there could be more C'tan instead of there would be more but given that the C'tan remaining within the Outsider have enough of a presence to drive it insane if they where released chances are they would be able to reform where they released (by whatever means) or could be given new bodies.

Laughing God wrote:
Yes the more energy (life, solar, C'tan) that C'tan consume the more powerful they become. They are star vampires. There is no limit to how god like they can be.

Just to make sure I understand this correctly, the C'tan don't need to continuously feed to survive (like a traditional vampire)? The only feed to gain more power?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I'm not really sure if you understood what I was saying.

I re-read what you wrote, I'm not sure what I thought I read the first time, but it misread it. My bad

corpsesarefun wrote:The entire point of the c'tan is that they obey the laws of physics.

Necrons codex: page 27, last paragraph. " The C'tan wield the primal energies of creations. Their power is such that they can defy natural laws and alter the fabric of reality itself..."

Just say'en.

@Grass4hopper: No worries

Grass4hopper wrote:

Laughing God wrote:
Yes the more energy (life, solar, C'tan) that C'tan consume the more powerful they become. They are star vampires. There is no limit to how god like they can be.

Just to make sure I understand this correctly, the C'tan don't need to continuously feed to survive (like a traditional vampire)? The only feed to gain more power?

No C'tan lose there energy overtime if they do not feed on some kind of energy. Evedence of this is show by there super weakened state when they wake out of stasis. I Imagine that C'tan being sentients made of pure energy lose a great deal of that energy just living.