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Shrouger wrote:

Actually, pages 8, 10, and 11 of the 5th Ed Tyranid Codex tell us exactly when, where, and from what direction Hive Fleet Behemoth attacked Tyran. The codex aslo lists the maps for each subsequant fleet. The entire eastern and south-eastern fring has been under attack at one time or another. While Hive Fleet Levianthan is attacking from an entirely differant angle: it's tendrils are coming up from below the galactic plane, meaning it is attacking the interior of the galaxy without even worring about the edges.

That still tells us absolutely nothing. The galaxy is constantly in orbit, and using cardinal directions anywhere except a planet with a magnetized core is completely arbitrary. Attacking from beneath the galactic plane says even less; how do we determine up and down on that kind of scale when the galaxy is hurtling through "dead space"? I thought GW might have given some kind of star coordinates.

Don't go into the nitty gritty details of 40k science. It's grimdark SCIENCE!, just really emphasising the cool factor. As for direction, it's just plain easier to picture the galaxy as though you're looking at it lying flat. While space is three dimensional, it makes dicussing direction a lot easier.

Kraken and Behemoth hit the Eastern Fringe, fighting their way 'through' the galaxy. Leviathan is attacking from a different direction, from 'beneath' the galactic plane, taking a shortcut to some vital worlds. Hive fleet Tiamet came from the Northern Fringe, but was destroyed, and hive fleet Moloch is emerging from the northern section of the Eastern Fringe. Hive fleets Scylla and Charybdis are moving through Segmentum Pacificus, the south of the galaxy, moving towards Terra.

To quote a wise Jedi:

'There's always a bigger fish.'

Like pie made BY Orks or pie made FROM Orks?

Because I really don't know which is a better idea...

Could be either, really. Squig pie is considered a delicacy... and Orks themselves are particularly rich in protein

To quote a wise Jedi:

'There's always a bigger fish.'

Well said. But will that predator pursue the 'Nids into our galaxy (did they take a wrong turn somewhere?)

GruntBuster7 wrote:To quote a wise Jedi:

'There's always a bigger fish.'

Thats true. What if the Tyranids are running from a Blue Gal? Or The Rabbit from Monty Python!
MY god They are running from Caboose!

In all seriousness the Tyranids might be running from something. Could be something bigger like a Puma.

Your red VS Blue quotes please me!

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Your red VS Blue quotes please me!

Your Welcome it is my job to do that. Without me the world of Illinois would be black and white.

Maybe they're running from the space whales. I can just see a group of space whales flying thorugh space eating up milliions of zerg like they were krill

Shrouger wrote:But why our galaxy? Why not Andromeda (the one "next door")? Our scientists suggest that Andromeda is habitable, after all...

actually astrophysics(or at least Hawkins claims that) has proved that the andromeda galaxy will merge with the afore mentioned galaxy before 10,000AD
thats 30,000 years before this current galaxy.

I also believe that the nids have already devoured multiple galaxies devouring many kinds of creatures.
Thought i would be intresting to sit and watch the nids try and take the bagesh or the 'ghosts' Lord Solar discovered and the custordial marines from terra.
The eye of terror would provide infinite fun for the nids

I personally think that what happened was that she was getting a sex change and then right in the middle of it the doctor said F it and then walked away.

But on a more seirius i think that the hive mind got pist off and just didnt want the nids anymore.


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I have to also agrea with hlaine on all of his sayings i mean have you ever noticed that nids are coming from multipple different directions? Do you know how long that would take if they came from only one galixy? A REALY LONG TIME is how long

actually astrophysics(or at least Hawkins claims that) has proved that the andromeda galaxy will merge with the afore mentioned galaxy before 10,000AD
thats 30,000 years before this current galaxy.

That has some interesting ramifications. In that case, however, the two would likely begin to merge along their sides, meaning that many of the hive fleets would have been destroyed outright.

I dont like Hawkins....

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Shrouger wrote:But why our galaxy? Why not Andromeda (the one "next door")? Our scientists suggest that Andromeda is habitable, after all...

actually astrophysics(or at least Hawkins claims that) has proved that the andromeda galaxy will merge with the afore mentioned galaxy before 10,000AD
thats 30,000 years before this current galaxy.

I also believe that the nids have already devoured multiple galaxies devouring many kinds of creatures.
Thought i would be intresting to sit and watch the nids try and take the bagesh or the 'ghosts' Lord Solar discovered and the custordial marines from terra.
The eye of terror would provide infinite fun for the nids

wikipedia wrote:The Andromeda–Milky Way collision is a predicted galaxy collision that could possibly take place in approximately 3-5 billion years' time between the two largest galaxies in the Local Group – the Andromeda Galaxy and the Milky Way, which contains Earth.

I've only taken the very basics of college astronomy but to make such a prediction wouldn't we need a grasp of how dark matter effects astrophysics to be able to prove that statement? I wasn't aware we had discovered that as of yet...

Shrouger wrote:How do we know, though? They could all be independent minds, perhaps just the first to the feast.

They could well be trying to outrun a more powerful organism, like smaller predators attempting to reach a corpse before say a Lion.

Luco wrote:

Shrouger wrote:But why our galaxy? Why not Andromeda (the one "next door")? Our scientists suggest that Andromeda is habitable, after all...

Perhaps whatever lives in Andromeda obliterated every hive fleet that came in and the Nids are looking for better genes to make better warriors to give it another go? Andromeda might have been eaten already or could just be next on the list.

Now your reaching, entering into any number of "what ifs?" and "It COULD be this's". Lets stick to what we know shall we? Are the tyranids acting like a race that is fleeing? or trying to catch scraps? No, they are acting like the all devouring galactic locusts GW portrayes them as. Half a sentence is not grounds for such an extensive debate....

Shrouger wrote:

Actually, pages 8, 10, and 11 of the 5th Ed Tyranid Codex tell us exactly when, where, and from what direction Hive Fleet Behemoth attacked Tyran. The codex aslo lists the maps for each subsequant fleet. The entire eastern and south-eastern fring has been under attack at one time or another. While Hive Fleet Levianthan is attacking from an entirely differant angle: it's tendrils are coming up from below the galactic plane, meaning it is attacking the interior of the galaxy without even worring about the edges.

That still tells us absolutely nothing. The galaxy is constantly in orbit, and using cardinal directions anywhere except a planet with a magnetized core is completely arbitrary. Attacking from beneath the galactic plane says even less; how do we determine up and down on that kind of scale when the galaxy is hurtling through "dead space"? I thought GW might have given some kind of star coordinates.

Please dont try to apply actual science to GW's science FANTASY. It will only end in failure. GW proves there failure at actual science when they claim that a race of space bugs is killing planets over a few decades without faster than light space travel...FAIL!

-Loki- wrote:

Shrouger wrote:

Actually, pages 8, 10, and 11 of the 5th Ed Tyranid Codex tell us exactly when, where, and from what direction Hive Fleet Behemoth attacked Tyran. The codex aslo lists the maps for each subsequant fleet. The entire eastern and south-eastern fring has been under attack at one time or another. While Hive Fleet Levianthan is attacking from an entirely differant angle: it's tendrils are coming up from below the galactic plane, meaning it is attacking the interior of the galaxy without even worring about the edges.

That still tells us absolutely nothing. The galaxy is constantly in orbit, and using cardinal directions anywhere except a planet with a magnetized core is completely arbitrary. Attacking from beneath the galactic plane says even less; how do we determine up and down on that kind of scale when the galaxy is hurtling through "dead space"? I thought GW might have given some kind of star coordinates.

Don't go into the nitty gritty details of 40k science. It's grimdark SCIENCE!, just really emphasising the cool factor. As for direction, it's just plain easier to picture the galaxy as though you're looking at it lying flat. While space is three dimensional, it makes dicussing direction a lot easier.

Kraken and Behemoth hit the Eastern Fringe, fighting their way 'through' the galaxy. Leviathan is attacking from a different direction, from 'beneath' the galactic plane, taking a shortcut to some vital worlds. Hive fleet Tiamet came from the Northern Fringe, but was destroyed, and hive fleet Moloch is emerging from the northern section of the Eastern Fringe. Hive fleets Scylla and Charybdis are moving through Segmentum Pacificus, the south of the galaxy, moving towards Terra.

QFT

No. They don't act like they are running. None of their fleet movements suggest it.
And also note that most (if not all) of the Tyranid fluff is written from the IoM perspective. The in-fluff authors of reports and the ones that are speculating on the origins of the Tyranids would examine all possibilities including the possibility that they may be running from a bigger and far deadlier force. Even if this isn't true they would consider it.

I think the important thing to remember is that with each edition, the 40k universe gets grimmer and darker. 5th has left us in such a state that it's hard to imagine things getting much worse.

There are now multiple unstoppable forces of pure evil that won't stop until the galaxy is destroyed. The enemies the IoM currently faces are just the vanguard to a more powerful force. There's only once person able to hold back these forces, The Emperor, but the Golden Throne has an un-fixable flaw that will lead to his death.

It's hard to imagine how 6th will make this any grimmer and darker without just a single page in the SM, IG, etc listing saying "They died". The one way GW can make things even worse (that I can think of), is to introduce an even more powerful and unstoppable foe. This would most logically be whatever is chasing the Nids.

Grakmar wrote:It's hard to imagine how 6th will make this any grimmer and darker without just a single page in the SM, IG, etc listing saying "They died". The one way GW can make things even worse (that I can think of), is to introduce an even more powerful and unstoppable foe. This would most logically be whatever is chasing the Nids.

The Emprah will die. Then all the humanity that nobody ever heard or cared about will die. Then, some of the important humanity (but not really important, or important that nobody ever bothered liking, like the HAWK LORD CHAPTER hurrr) will turn to Chaos, but only because they tried helping people (we will fly medicine through this warp storm hurrr!). And then they will attack Terra, where the Ultramarines are b/c Macragge got swallowed by warp storm, but only after luring a whole bunch of other bad stuff to attack the Ultramarines at the SAME TIME (but on the other side of the planet). Then the one Hawk Lord that was like 'no I won't fly ur medicine' will space taxi to Macragge with the one BEAUTIFUL BUT NOT IN A HOT SEXY WAY young girl who will high fives with Tigurius and let the Emprah's spirit get shoved in2 her head. Then Girl Emprah will high fives with Calgar, who is almost dead, and will boomheadshot the Other Badstuff King and save Terra and the Imperium (except for Fenris, they were fine the whole time and collected a million bad guy teeth) and girl EMprah will sacrifice herself by sitting back inside the golden throne which she will fix with Machine Heal Thyself powers, but first she'll say that something even more ambiguously evil is coming next ediction.

And that's how 6th ed will become totally even more Grimdark and XXTREMEXX without ever really changing anything, except now there's no Macragge and they have to go live on Hawk Lords Chapter world.

Actually, I think removing the Imperium would be great for the fluff. Like, not removing humans, but having the Imperium fall and creating many smaller, independant human empires would be really interesting.

Not that it would happen - the galaxy being on the edge of destruction is what makes the fluff so cool.

I would love to see some independent human empires given a Codex. Remnant Astartes Chapters, rogue Imperial worlds... GW might even include some new relics from the Dark Age of Technology.

If the 'Nids are not running now, they will likely be soon. Once the C'tan (perhaps others are chasing the Tyranids out of the previous one?) find this plague of new life spreading around their worlds, they will be quick to exterminate them.

Shrouger wrote:I would love to see some independent human empires given a Codex. Remnant Astartes Chapters, rogue Imperial worlds... GW might even include some new relics from the Dark Age of Technology.

If the 'Nids are not running now, they will likely be soon. Once the C'tan (perhaps others are chasing the Tyranids out of the previous one?) find this plague of new life spreading around their worlds, they will be quick to exterminate them.

No, because the Tyranids remove life. They are a cleaning effect.

Klawz wrote:

Shrouger wrote:I would love to see some independent human empires given a Codex. Remnant Astartes Chapters, rogue Imperial worlds... GW might even include some new relics from the Dark Age of Technology.

If the 'Nids are not running now, they will likely be soon. Once the C'tan (perhaps others are chasing the Tyranids out of the previous one?) find this plague of new life spreading around their worlds, they will be quick to exterminate them.

No, because the Tyranids remove life. They are a cleaning effect.

So perhaps they are trying to beat the 'Crons at killing everything?

Klawz wrote:

Shrouger wrote:I would love to see some independent human empires given a Codex. Remnant Astartes Chapters, rogue Imperial worlds... GW might even include some new relics from the Dark Age of Technology.

If the 'Nids are not running now, they will likely be soon. Once the C'tan (perhaps others are chasing the Tyranids out of the previous one?) find this plague of new life spreading around their worlds, they will be quick to exterminate them.

No, because the Tyranids remove life. They are a cleaning effect.

The C'tan don't want to cleanse the galaxy of life, they want to eat souls. If the Tyranids harvested everything, there'd be nothing left for them to eat, and so the necrons would probably start targeting hive fleets to stop them from wiping away the life that they want to harvest.

They are running, because some Imperial asswipe prank-called the Hive Mind and said it's refrigerator was running. Unfortunately sarcasm is not in the Hive Mind's repertoire.

It's always possible that the Tyranids aren't just endlessly consuming bomass to propagate their non-sentient life forms (pointless) but, rather, are trying to build up a critical mass of biomass so that they may turn around and face down something even more deadly.

Ooo, now that's not a bad suggestion there actually, I like that!

Please dont try to apply actual science to GW's science FANTASY. It will only end in failure. GW proves there failure at actual science when they claim that a race of space bugs is killing planets over a few decades without faster than light space travel...FAIL!

urr Ibelive this particular coment belongs to the laughing god and id like to say that YOUR WRONG READ THE FLUFF !!! and provide him with a link to confirm me bieng right and it takes the form of the narvhal bio-ship.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Narvhal

-Loki- wrote:Actually, I think removing the Imperium would be great for the fluff. Like, not removing humans, but having the Imperium fall and creating many smaller, independant human empires would be really interesting.

Not that it would happen - the galaxy being on the edge of destruction is what makes the fluff so cool.

In the WD issue that was issued at thte release of 5th ed the last entry on the time was

Techpriests find a fault in the Golden Throne that they won't be able fix

Hmmmm, perhaps trying to sustain the life of a corpse?????
but it would be epic if as soon as the emperor 'dies' he gets comletely reborn time-lord style

It's a nice idea, but it wuld completely change the Space Marines and Imperial Guards established fluff.

Also, GW never really advance the timeline. The galaxy being in purpetual war, the Imperium on the verge of collapse, beset from without and within, etc. it's what makes 40k what it is.

So don't count on that fluff being used, like, ever.

Henners91 wrote:It's always possible that the Tyranids aren't just endlessly consuming bomass to propagate their non-sentient life forms (pointless) but, rather, are trying to build up a critical mass of biomass so that they may turn around and face down something even more deadly.

Id warrant a guess that the tryanid's were another race created by the old ones (I see them as 40ks lizardmen), Perhaps as a last ditch effort to effectively deny the Ctan there harvest by eating everything before the Ctan get a chance. Itd basically be a giant battle of attrition with the Ctan fighting to harvest and the Tyranids swooping in and eating everything up before them, and the Tyranids not having souls means they dont make for a good Ctan harvest either. Id love if they introduced a new race, perhaps created by a corrupted old one or failing that just come up with an even more grimdark new race which the Tyranids are running from, a foe so powerful that the Tyranids are having to waste a wealth of biomass just to test new strains and concoctions that might help them combat it.

Nids are drawn to the Astronomicon; which probably explains why you've got ones appearing all over the galatic plain (or tactics perhaps). They exist to assimilate foreign DNA, but its the psychic pulse of the Emperor which draws them to the Imperium-ie the Genestealers psychic powers to alert the fleet to an infiltrated world, what's the biggest psychic spotlight in the galaxy to that?