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Like I said, time for the local Michael's or whatever you have that supplies the acrylics in the larger paint bottles/tubes for cheaper, and you get even MORE paint for the money than GW has in those tiny nearly 4dollar pots. At Michaels, I can get twice the paint for half the price.

I still have a whole bag of the really really old ones were you had to either use your teeth to open them or risk loosing the paint all over the floor. They must be 13 years old and they still work - those hexagonal black lidded ones they brought out after simply dry up after about a year.

as for new paint I do like the vallejo style. And of course GW is run by profit hungry capitalists and we the proletariat must struggle against them, but thats just how the world rolls

Sentinel wrote:What I've heard is that the foundation paint pots are made the way they are so that they can drip better from the top lip into the citadel spray gun. Sounds kinda goofy, I know.

that makes sense actually, because the old pots have that massive rim that the paint would get wasted on.

also does anybody have a link/image of a Vallejov to GW chart, and where can you get them in the UK? I've decided to take the plung(dun dun dun) and am slowly going to change over.


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weetyskemian44 wrote:I still have a whole bag of the really really old ones were you had to either use your teeth to open them or risk loosing the paint all over the floor. They must be 13 years old and they still work - those hexagonal black lidded ones they brought out after simply dry up after about a year.

i've got some of them, and some of the white lidded ones, and a GW droper bottle, you relise GW did some good colors they don't do any more back in the good old day™© but they're annoying to open, the orange splatter on my green wall is proof of that

1.) The old Citadel pot is a protected form, guess the CHinese don't have the rght to copy that.
2.) The pin on the old foundation pots was meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid open. Paint spills down the side if kept open like this. Guess they removed the stopper because of the irritation.
3.) mail Order was surprised by Bleached Bone being OOP, they will look into it.
4.) Matching Vallejo Model Colours are easy to find, as their name is close to the Citadel name, but you find a chart here: http://www.miniaturewargaming.com/index.php/mwg/comments/vallejo_citadel_paints_comparison_guide/
Also note that Coat d'arms, the old manufacturer of these paints, still sells them: http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=hob-cda-fcl . Chart here http://www.paintingclinic.com/productreviews/cdaconversionchart.htm .

Soladrin wrote:

Aduro wrote:I MUCH prefer the bolter shells myself. I used them all the ways you're not supposed to use them, dipping paint off that little lip thing inside the lid, and wiping the brush off on the wide rim.

Same, and you can make killa cans out of the empty ones xD

Bolter shells? What?

You're almost like a warhammer product encyclopedia Kroothawk, you seem to have anwsers for everything.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) The old Citadel pot is a protected form, guess the CHinese don't have the rght to copy that.
2.) The pin on the old foundation pots was meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid open. Paint spills down the side if kept open like this. Guess they removed the stopper because of the irritation.
3.) mail Order was surprised by Bleached Bone being OOP, they will look into it.
4.) Matching Vallejo Model Colours are easy to find, as their name is close to the Citadel name, but you find a chart here: http://www.miniaturewargaming.com/index.php/mwg/comments/vallejo_citadel_paints_comparison_guide/
Also note that Coat d'arms, the old manufacturer of these paints, still sells them: http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=hob-cda-fcl . Chart here http://www.paintingclinic.com/productreviews/cdaconversionchart.htm .

Thanks. Coat d' arms sells ink washes, right? I need some red, yellow and chestnut ink. They were good colors.

And that was meant as a stopper? It didn't do much good

Khorne Flakes wrote:They changed the formulas to dry faster and the foundation pots dry up fast if not stored properly GW is trying to make you spend more

Of course they did, its all a massive conspiracy

Lokirfellheart wrote:

CommissarCandlestick wrote:There's no benefit for us but they probably save money somehow and charge us more.

Most likely- Or they are designed so they hold slightly less, and they charge us more, as they look slightly narrower at the top compared to the old ones.

Seems the be going around everywhere! This also has happened at my local supermarket for prepared items. slightly smaller containers same price!

im so confused, i have no idea whats going on...i still get the "old" black lid pots and bleached bone is OOP? when did this happen, cuz i just bought a bottle today...i suddenly feel "out of the loop"

jordanis wrote:im so confused, i have no idea whats going on...i still get the "old" black lid pots and bleached bone is OOP? when did this happen, cuz i just bought a bottle today...i suddenly feel "out of the loop"

Gentlemen, I think we've discovered a time portal.

Quick check for me: do they still have Squats? I need some for my Tank brigade!

Thus why I switched to vallejo ages ago... eyedropper bottles and palettes = saved money

Izeya82 wrote:

Lokirfellheart wrote:

CommissarCandlestick wrote:There's no benefit for us but they probably save money somehow and charge us more.

Most likely- Or they are designed so they hold slightly less, and they charge us more, as they look slightly narrower at the top compared to the old ones.

Seems the be going around everywhere! This also has happened at my local supermarket for prepared items. slightly smaller containers same price!

Except the content is listd as the same amount on both (12ml/0.4fl oz) it's just the packaging that's smaller, as I'm sure they'd get into quite a lot of trouble with trading authorities if their contents were less than what is listed on the pot.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) The old Citadel pot is a protected form, guess the CHinese don't have the rght to copy that.
2.) The pin on the old foundation pots was meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid open. Paint spills down the side if kept open like this. Guess they removed the stopper because of the irritation.
3.) mail Order was surprised by Bleached Bone being OOP, they will look into it.
4.) Matching Vallejo Model Colours are easy to find, as their name is close to the Citadel name, but you find a chart here: http://www.miniaturewargaming.com/index.php/mwg/comments/vallejo_citadel_paints_comparison_guide/
Also note that Coat d'arms, the old manufacturer of these paints, still sells them: http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=hob-cda-fcl . Chart here http://www.paintingclinic.com/productreviews/cdaconversionchart.htm .

Just FYI but the Vallejo colors have similar names but match up weird ie. the ''Ultra blue'' or whatever is the equivalent to GW Enchanted Blue and "Magical blue'' is Ultramarines Blue. Found this stuff out while I was mixing and matching Vallejo/GW for painting my Ultramarines - it made for one hell of a test model.

The foundation pot holds a little more, plus the clear lid lets you know what color you got. I will miss the screw on lids from the old ones.

jordanis wrote:im so confused, i have no idea whats going on...i still get the "old" black lid pots and bleached bone is OOP? when did this happen, cuz i just bought a bottle today...i suddenly feel "out of the loop"

Indeed, what the hell are you guys yappin about?

No really, I have no idea, can we have some pictures?


Also, am I the only one that take paint from the top of the containers? I figured since that speck of paint on the cover will usually dry out quicker when the pot is open I might as well use it. It also adds the bonus of getting to keep the thing only half-open which lets me paint for longer without worrying about closing it before the whole thing dries off.

I like the foundation pots, they click and stay open, as do the washes. But not the normal paints. They have no clicker thingy in the hinge, and they want to close themselves. I like to take my paint fro the top of the cap, and that's pretty much impossible now. It's really annoying, and annoying me enough to just use vallejo instead.

I liked the black flip top lids the best. I like how it had the little flat part at the top inside that you could dab or do some light mixing. If you dab anything on the rim of the new pots, you're gonna get a big cakey mess. However, I do like the clear lid idea on the new ones.. that's about the only thing I do like.

My guess is these new pots are in some way cheaper to produce/purchase so even if they keep the prices the same, they make more in the end.

Why the hell would you guys want to leave the paints open? Open paint dries, no matter how open it is. You complain that the paint has been drying faster lately, well close the lids and it won't! :O

Doctor Optimal wrote:

jordanis wrote:im so confused, i have no idea whats going on...i still get the "old" black lid pots and bleached bone is OOP? when did this happen, cuz i just bought a bottle today...i suddenly feel "out of the loop"

Gentlemen, I think we've discovered a time portal.

Quick check for me: do they still have Squats? I need some for my Tank brigade!

...no...i think its because no one buys the paints at my lgs...since there are only 4 people who ever buy anything in the wargames department, everything sits on the shelf for a LONG time...

Paint drying too fast isn't an issue for me, I just add a couple drops of water when it stats getting a little thicker, give it a good shake and it's good as new

I haven't used the new pots for my regular paints yet but I don't have any problem with the foundation pots. I don't shake my paints, I stir them and then I put some paint on an old container lid, add a few drops of water to thin it out, and go to town. I will like the transparent lid as I also like to put a dot of paint on my pots to delineate what color it is.

Ok, for people like me who have no idea what this is all about


You're welcome

MikeMcSomething wrote:Just FYI but the Vallejo colors have similar names but match up weird ie. the ''Ultra blue'' or whatever is the equivalent to GW Enchanted Blue and "Magical blue'' is Ultramarines Blue. Found this stuff out while I was mixing and matching Vallejo/GW for painting my Ultramarines - it made for one hell of a test model.

They do have colour conversion charts on their website.http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/gb/downloads.html

MikeMcSomething wrote:
Just FYI but the Vallejo colors have similar names but match up weird ie. the ''Ultra blue'' or whatever is the equivalent to GW Enchanted Blue and "Magical blue'' is Ultramarines Blue. Found this stuff out while I was mixing and matching Vallejo/GW for painting my Ultramarines - it made for one hell of a test model.

Hmm... my ultramarine blue vallejo seems pretty close to GW... Maybe just a tad lighter?

Kolath wrote:

MikeMcSomething wrote:
Just FYI but the Vallejo colors have similar names but match up weird ie. the ''Ultra blue'' or whatever is the equivalent to GW Enchanted Blue and "Magical blue'' is Ultramarines Blue. Found this stuff out while I was mixing and matching Vallejo/GW for painting my Ultramarines - it made for one hell of a test model.

Hmm... my ultramarine blue vallejo seems pretty close to GW... Maybe just a tad lighter?

eveery GW paint has a vallejo paint equivalent theres a conversion chart in the article section which what i used