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What benefit did GW get from changing all paints to the foundation pot? Unlike the normal ones they don't stay open while you're painting. I guess it's not really a big deal, it just bugs me a little bit. How does this add to the painter's painting experience?

There's no benefit for us but they probably save money somehow and charge us more.

CommissarCandlestick wrote:There's no benefit for us but they probably save money somehow and charge us more.

Most likely- Or they are designed so they hold slightly less, and they charge us more, as they look slightly narrower at the top compared to the old ones.

Well the older ones wern't exactly full to the brim so I assume that there would be no difference to the acutal amount of liquid within. Maybe they're just easier to produce, having only one design to mass-produce rather than two?

Not to praise GW for the move as it is likely to give us less for our more (money)

But the foundation pots do click open and remain on a slight angle to allow the extra paint (from shaking) that normally gets caught in the rim to flow back into the pot which waists less paint, that said if there is too much paint in the rim it does nothing (you are still better off shaking the pot then waiting for gravity before opening).

See through tops make it easier to see your colour choices from above like in a paint carry case or tray which I like more than anything else. Mostly though it's made of a cheaper (softer) plastic so they can make more money off each sale.

Their bottles are progressively getting worse. It is a horrible paint pot. I think they are finding the most impractical bottle to sell paint in. I have never had so much paint cake up on the sides and become completely useless. This bottle designe must be lucrative to them due to its ability to waste insane amounts of paint.

I prefer the old ones, apart from the fact I don't have to rummage through 50 paints before I find the colour I'm looking for.

TheFirstBorn wrote:I prefer the old ones, apart from the fact I don't have to rummage through 50 paints before I find the colour I'm looking for.

I just put a dot of the paint in the pot on its lid. that works for me. no rummaging around.

The new pots are the reason I finally took the plunge and transferred all my paints to dropper bottles. Pretty sure I'll be switching to Vallejo too when these are used up.
I used a small amount out of each new pot, and 10x the amount used (or more) ended up clogging round the rim, mainly just from shaking...
Horrid.

Element206 wrote:Their bottles are progressively getting worse. It is a horrible paint pot. I think they are finding the most impractical bottle to sell paint in. I have never had so much paint cake up on the sides and become completely useless. This bottle designe must be lucrative to them due to its ability to waste insane amounts of paint.

Anything is better than the black screw lids of a few years ago. Those were a total disaster.

True, but they were forgotten long ago. The Foundation paint pots aren't as bad as the newest pots, however. At least the foundation pots stay open, which the newest doesn't. Not good. I really prefer the old pots.

You do realise they all hold 12 ml?

besides being smaller pots, there isn't anything different.

firstly, they're better sealing then the black lid pots

they don't dry out as fast

the paints are easier to stir.

there isn't that stupid rim that gets paint stuck on it.

don't look for problems where there are none.

the only problem I've noticed is they don't stack anymore. thats what I miss. but otherwise, I feel GW did a good thing.

If you're willing, I've a mega-paintsets worth of citadel colour paints in the old pots.

Wanna trade?

My only real grumble is you can't stack them anymore, but that's it really.

As a new player the lack of stacking is an issue. I've been having trouble figuring out how to store them. Maybe a shallow tubberware-like case?

I found that the new-new foundation pots do not have the clip part to keep them open which is real pain when you are in the 'mode' and can't stop to open up your paint pot again. That being said, I prefer them to the vallejo paints because they just clog up on me all the time.

At least I have no problem stacking!

While I never disliked the foundation pots (as compared to the horrid twist caps)... I've discovered the wonder that is Vallejo paints. The built in eye dropper is just a far superior dispensing mechanism. Especially since I like to mix colors on a wet palette. I recommend you give them a try if you don't like the new GW pots.

I MUCH prefer the bolter shells myself. I used them all the ways you're not supposed to use them, dipping paint off that little lip thing inside the lid, and wiping the brush off on the wide rim.

Aduro wrote:I MUCH prefer the bolter shells myself. I used them all the ways you're not supposed to use them, dipping paint off that little lip thing inside the lid, and wiping the brush off on the wide rim.

Same, and you can make killa cans out of the empty ones xD

Seriously Dakka, GW are the only business that's able to put the hobby you love onto the highstreet and yet you're so warped into this belief that the management is comprised of SS escapees that the only possible explanation for any change has to be that it's all part of some Tzeentchian plan to screw over the consumer...

I mean, of course there's a profit motive... and it's fine to point that out but if you look at attitudes in threads such as that Chapterhouse being sued one it seems like there's some nigh-fanatical culture here that demands the constant debasement of a company that ultimately does a great job :-/

I'm with the most of you. The new pots don't stay open and are a pain to keep dipping into. If you haven't noticed the older pots paint was made in France while the newer ones are made in China. Great work GW, why don't you pass the money saved there to your loyal customers. Total BS if you ask me.

Henners91 wrote: ....it's all part of some Tzeentchian plan to screw over the consumer.

Everything is the work of Chaos. The Ruinous Powers control all, and none can escape their malicious web of deceit and avarice. At least, that's what I tell my bank when I overspend on models and suddenly find myself broke.

(Note- I have never actually done that, I just love the mental image of using that as an explanation.)


As for the pots.... I like them. The previous ones felt cheap, and the paint seemed to dry up super-fast compared to the very old citadel pots. Yes, it was nice that they stayed open, but the design wasn't to my taste and the massive black rim in the pot was annoying when the level got low. The new ones don't stay open so well, but they are nice to look at, the clear tops are useful, and generally I have yet to have any trouble with them.

I fully expect to be in the minority with this opinion, but then, I am not a serious painter- I do this as a small, part-time hobby, and hence have yet to be sufficiently irritated by a relatively minor change to the product. In fact, my only real paint-based gripe with Games Workshop was the discontinuation of Tentacle Pink (which was the main colour for my old army) but meh- I got over it.

cost
it's cheeper to have 1 design pot than several, they also seal tighter.

I like the fact that the pot tops are clear. I always put a dab of paint on the old pots which served the same purpose, but the clear lids just show a bit of forethought on GW's part.

My gripe about the slightly older foundation paint pots is that they tend to fail at the hinge, losing their seal and causing a lot of paint to flow out the back. Does not happen all the time, but id does on occasion. Whether the new paint pots have the same issue only time will tell.

Since I use a wet palette the lids not locking isn't an issue, but if I did not... I could see where that would be a problem.

skycapt44 wrote:I'm with the most of you. The new pots don't stay open and are a pain to keep dipping into.

It seems that a lot of folks are leaving their pots open. That never occurred to me -- how do you guys keep your paints from drying out if you are leaving all your pots open for hours on end?

I switched to Vallejo about a million years ago, so I'm just curious. (BTW, someone mentioned getting clogs with the dropper bottles -- you can take the tip out and ream the hole with a paper clip if you get a clog).

My biggest gripe with the new pots is that i like to store my old pots upside down. 1. It lets you see the color right away. 2. the paint in the pot seals the lid thus keeping air out of the pot. I really don't like the way these new pots are designed and have to blame the design change on GW wanting your paint to dry up faster, so you will have to go and buy more. Makes perfect sense really.

Back to going to Michael's hobby store and buying the acrylics that come cheaper in larger conatiners that you can pour out the amount you need(Like Vallejo and costs maybe 2-3bucks for 3 times the paint.

What I've heard is that the foundation paint pots are made the way they are so that they can drip better from the top lip into the citadel spray gun. Sounds kinda goofy, I know.

Justus wrote:What benefit did GW get from changing all paints to the foundation pot? Unlike the normal ones they don't stay open while you're painting. I guess it's not really a big deal, it just bugs me a little bit. How does this add to the painter's painting experience?

It really should bug you. I have to stick a crappy brush in between the hinge to even paint things now. It's murder.

The new pots are worthless. Unfortunately, my entire mega paint set is full of them =/

sub-zero wrote:My biggest gripe with the new pots is that i like to store my old pots upside down. 1. It lets you see the color right away. 2. the paint in the pot seals the lid thus keeping air out of the pot. I really don't like the way these new pots are designed and have to blame the design change on GW wanting your paint to dry up faster, so you will have to go and buy more. Makes perfect sense really.

I just tried with one of the new pots, they do stand upside down if you put them that way gently enough, because of the raised bit that shows the colour on the top, alright they aren't stood up straight but at a slight angle but what the hell., the foundation paints don't go upside down though.

Samus, I don't know what your doing with yours but mine stay open enough to stick a paintbrush in to get paint from the lip, alright, not up as much as the old ones but still easy enough, pluss because they don't stay up as much, i've no worry about paint from the lip on the top running down onto the lip on my pot.

They changed the formulas to dry faster and the foundation pots dry up fast if not stored properly GW is trying to make you spend more