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We make judgment calls all the time in this game, just look at the RAW fun thread.
Since you play DA, you know that we should not have to go out of our way to "tone it down" at all concerning power level of the codex.

It seems to me that this rule was never questioned simply because it is the way people have played since 4th ed. I can understand why: the rest of the rules pretty much suck, why should the Ravenwing be any different?

I have just gotten back into 40k again since 3rd ed with a lot of fond memories. It really does frustrate me to see the DA as a bland, uncompetitive codex especially when there are rules to help already in it.
I am not saying that mine is the only interpretation. I see it as a valid argument, one that makes DA more fun to play, and if I can get more people making the same argument, I won't get as many fun looks when I sit down to play a casual game.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:We make judgment calls all the time in this game, just look at the RAW fun thread.

No thanks. I do agree that we make judgment calls all the time, though.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:Since you play DA, you know that we should not have to go out of our way to "tone it down" at all concerning power level of the codex.

Sure. But balance isn't the primary basis for a good rules discussion. We looked over the text carefully, and regretfully came to the conclusion that the specificity of the Ravenwing restriction on Scout moves means it overrides the main rulebook rules for bikes in general. Where there IS ambiguity (which I sadly don't think there really is in this case), going with the less-powerful interpretation is usually the sportsmanlike thing to do.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:It seems to me that this rule was never questioned simply because it is the way people have played since 4th ed.

No, I'm afraid not. Believe me, we looked at it hard when 5th came out, and very much hoped that GW would FAQ or errata it when they updated most of the FAQs after 5th came out. But when they updated the DA FAQ in 2009 they didn't change it.

Erratic_Assassin,

So, you're trying to get a popularity contest going rather than a rules discussion. Or you could just admit to yourself that you're trying to gather a convincing argument for your favored house rule.

Platuan4th wrote:

Erratic_Assassin wrote:Yes, nice circular logic. The more specific one applies and since the DA is applied; therefore the DA is more specific!

It's not circular object at all, you're just being obtuse.
The BRB FAQ refers to ALL bikes in the game, which is a general statement.
The DA Codex refers ONLY to Ravenwing Bikers, which is a specific statement.
As the rules tell us that Specific>General, Ravenwing bikers can not Turbo while making a Scout move.

Exactly. In general, you can boost while scouting. DA codex makes an exception for a specific unit. Happens all the time.

Or are we suggesting that the hive tyrant cannot form a unit with the tyrant guard? (BRB says only independant characters can do that - Tyranid codex makes an exception for the tyrant) According to the eratic assassin we should ignore the exception.

DA should use their own codex rules and this ends any arguement... the DA FAQs are pretty straightline!!!

That's why I do not use the Dark Angels codex (never done... it used to suck also in 4th ed) but the vanilla dex with chapter tactics...

for the OP.... stop using the DA dex and send a mail to gw asking for a WD codex (like the BA one) so we can use our army....

There is NO REASON to use the DA codex since avery possible build can be better done with something else ( Normal army list?? Kantor makes you stubborn so very DA... Ravenwing??? why not a Bike captain? The Deathwing? Logan grimnar rules are perfect for a TDA Azrael....

seems to me like its actually a general reference to the 4th ed rule book as it says "Note no model may make a turbo boost move whilst using the scouts special rule."

If that was the case the DA codex is saying all models with scout cant turbo not just the Ravenwing.


Do ravenwing then also get the special ability to stop all scouts turbo boosting? as the rule does not reference your models or units directly but models in general?

think on it.

then slap the people who have 6 years to write a rule book but decide to not write it until a week before its due...leaving stupid errors and having to FAQ it in the 1st place.

the new DA codex should be getting released soon and the ways its going we'll get the ability to roll a dice at the start of the game and auto win on a 4+ only to get outdone in the next codex which allows it on a 3+.


common sense/rant over.

Actually the line in the Codex that made the Attack Bike and the Land Speeder scoring has an Amendment

Page 27 – Ravenwing Combat Squads, second paragraph
Change to “Much like Combat squads, the squadron’s
Attack Bike and Land Speeder are purchased together
with the squadron and then deployed at the same time
as the squadron’s bikes, but from then on, they always
operate as completely independent units of one model.”

That has removed the word 'scoring'
The DA RAS land speeder is no longer a scoring unit.
The Attack bike can be if taken as Troops.