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Maybe he could get some models of straw men?

Or maybe he likes the Iron Hands models and the Space Wolf rules and should use his models however he wants without regard to a stranger's ideas about it? As long as its all WYSIWYG why would it matter?

Kids! Play with your toy soldiers however you want!

I'm using the SW codex for Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, for all the Psyker fun. Something you could consider, though it may take a bit of trading, is the Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts. That's what I'm using to represent Kolaphis' Robots

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Or maybe he likes the Iron Hands models and the Space Wolf rules and should use his models however he wants without regard to a stranger's ideas about it? As long as its all WYSIWYG why would it matter?

I almost haf to sig that. Don't let folks on the internet tell you how to play with your own toys. If you have fluff nazi it, say that they are a Space Wolf successor chapter that merged with an Iron Hands contingent too decimated by tyranids to remain viable on their own, so they mingled their geneseed and had "Iron Wolf" babies. Long live the Ferrous Canis!


I like the cyber centaur idea.

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Crimson Devil wrote:For those of you that don't know. Back when GW was putting out IAs articles in White Dwarf for the different marine chapters during the 3rd-4th edition era. The Irons Hands were modelled on the Space Wolf rules. So the idea is not as far fetched as some are making it out to be.

I just read the IA article for Iron Hands and am not seeing where you got this. Other than their non-traditional 'Clan' setup, I see no mention of SW.

That being said, they do say that their sergeants will sometimes wear TDA (WG counts as) and Dreadnoughts can lead them (Bjorn). I think the similarities end there though.


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Monster Rain wrote:That would depend on your definition of "A Lot" I suppose.

I'm halfway through Prospero Burns, and it still seems that they're basically big and scary Space Vikings when you get right down to it.

I don't think he is saying that SW have changed in their fluff. They have definitely changed in their rules, however, as have most chapters.

Fluff-wise, IH and SW are pretty far apart. Scary Space Vikings vs Fervent Cyborg Men.

The rules framework ,not the background. Compare the IA rules and the 3rd edition SW codex and you'll see it.


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Phototoxin wrote:Since people are just basically using any army for the most powerful codex just get BFSP trolls or something... this whole 'counts as' is getting a little bit ridiculous.

When you think about it, everyone using the same codex is the only way to balance the damn game.

I dont think it's a fluff issue, it's that you want an excuse to field TWC one of the most powerful units in the game... When you post threads asking for ideas for fenris wolve counts as, wolf scout counts as, blood claw counts as, Lone wolves counts as and Bjorn counts as i will be more sympathetic. Until then it just seems like you want thunderwolves and damn the rest.... ANYWAY....
Although the cyber mastiff is a nice model i cant help but feel it would look silly with a rider. I remember a white dwarf with a converted 'centaur' (by the way americans its pronounced 'Sen-Torr' :-P) using the cyber mastiff body, looked really cool, but i dont think i dont think its very Iron handsey. I stand by something with 'mecha-dendrite' legs.

People that want to use SW are looking for either the viking feel or for the ruleset to match their playstyle with the model configurations they want. With that in mind I would break the spacewolves down as:

versatile - the multitude of options on the wolfguard and the grey hunters serving as both tac marines and assault marines
some units that are berserker like with the blood claw varients

To me I can see the ruleset of the SW allowing for a representation of an army/chapter that has undergone a lot of individual modifications scrapping together what they can to enhance their combat effectiveness. This has led to several variations from new cavalry types to heavy augmented leaders with saga's representing enhancements/programming.

Hell, to take it another step, the wolf guard could be techpriests that are fully customized and splinter off to augment and lead the more rank-and-file solders.


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(by the way americans its pronounced 'Sen-Torr' :-P)

Pronunciation is relative to the region you are in. Insisting any different only leaves you looking like a fool when trying to communicate.

I thought the ':-P' symbol was the international sign of 'friendly banter' seems i am mistaken.

There was the one guy who did a Black Templars army using the SW list, and it had Space Marines riding Bretonnian horses. That was pretty epic, and would only be represented by TWC well (possibly by Bikes too, but it's kinda illogical that a animal can run as fast as a futuristic vehicle).

Iron Hands using TWCs is a bit of a stretch, but nonetheless understandable due to the fact that there's relatively little on the chapter's history. I'd imagine they'd be souped up bikes with extra servo arms and built in shield generators. Wouldnt put it past the sons of Ferrus to build something in conjunction with the AdMech.

Really guys, there is nothing wrong with someone using the SW codex to represent Iron Hands.

Iron Hands had Terminator Sgts-----(Wolf Guard leading Grey Hunters)
Dreads obvioulsy (Bjorn, other slots for dreads)
Rather unique Terminators (Wolf Guard Conversion ideas here abound)


Ferrus Mannus had to defeat a silver wyrm on his home planet. Maybe you can somehow tie that into your mechanical beasts....like quads with mechanical legs and Dragon Symbols or something along those lines.

What about Bionics on WHFB Cold ones? I think someone is doing something similar with Salamanders.

Perkustin wrote:I dont think it's a fluff issue, it's that you want an excuse to field TWC one of the most powerful units in the game... When you post threads asking for ideas for fenris wolve counts as, wolf scout counts as, blood claw counts as, Lone wolves counts as and Bjorn counts as i will be more sympathetic. Until then it just seems like you want thunderwolves and damn the rest....

So the OP has to prove he isn't a douche to get your valuable sympathy? Some of you guys seriously need to relax. It is not a warcrime to want to use thunderwolves. It's just a STUPID GAME.

Perkustin wrote:I dont think it's a fluff issue, it's that you want an excuse to field TWC one of the most powerful units in the game... When you post threads asking for ideas for fenris wolve counts as, wolf scout counts as, blood claw counts as, Lone wolves counts as and Bjorn counts as i will be more sympathetic. Until then it just seems like you want thunderwolves and damn the rest.... ANYWAY....
Although the cyber mastiff is a nice model i cant help but feel it would look silly with a rider. I remember a white dwarf with a converted 'centaur' (by the way americans its pronounced 'Sen-Torr' :-P) using the cyber mastiff body, looked really cool, but i dont think i dont think its very Iron handsey. I stand by something with 'mecha-dendrite' legs.

Why would I ask about Wolf Scouts or Lone Wolves? Those being obvious and already supported with models. The dislike of "count-as" due to alleged fluff violations is just silly. Anything is possible with the right amount of thought and proper execution. For now, I am going to explore some options outside of just Iron Hands, but I stand by it as viable.

Thanks for the input, everyone.