Codex for 2011?

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**Fifty**

Only five codices older then Eldar are Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Necrons, Black Templars and Tau.

Grey Knights and Necrons will surely come before Eldar. After that, I don't necessarily think Eldar will have too long to wait. Eldar have been a W40K staple since the early days, and the codex feels very old.

**1hadhq**

IDK why BT should be WH now but:

2011.

- GK ( inq ordos rolled in )
- flyer expansion
- Necrons

2012.

- SoB
- Tau
- BT

2013

- Eldar
- Dark Angels
- Orks

2014

- Chaos Warbands ( mortals )
- 6th ed ( CSM vs IG starter set )
- Ultramarines

**MechaEmperor7000**

The more I think about it, the more BT seems like a watered down Grey Knights. However there's no way the BTs would ever be merged with a Inquisition force. The Inquisition is largely afraid of the size of the BT and consider them almost heretical due to breaking Codex Astartes' Chapter organisation.

EDIT: It's kinda ironic that prior to the DE update, most people complained that they had to resort to using the Eldar Codex because it's new. Now the shoe's on the other foot. The Eldar and DA dexes are the only ones to suffer from the backlash though. Necrons still have some pretty good things going for them leftover from 3rd edition, while the Chaos and Ork codexes were made with 5th in mind. However the only codex from pre-5th that doesnt need an update imo is the Orks. Everything else is lacking majorly in at least one area.

**Grey Templar**

Which is funny since the Codex Astartes is, dispite being the greatly preferred form of organization, optional. according to the High Lords of Terra(the only organization that actually has jurisdiction over the Adeptus Astartes)

the Inquisition, for the most part, belives it's, already substantial powers, should extend to the entire Imperium even when their powers are clearly spelled out.

ironically, the Grey Knights are larger in size then the Black Templars(assuming the Black Templars are roughly 3,000 marines which isn't a certain thing) with about 4,000 members.

**ZacktheChaosChild**

*sigh*
Black Templars? Do they need it more than Chaos?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Inquisitors are paranoid, kinda comes with the job description. Most probably think the Black Templars are closing in on the original Space Marine Legion number of 10k. Didnt help that Dorn didnt like splitting up his legion in the first place too. Grey Knights, on the other hand, are always dying, and have never turned chaos. Plus they're basically one of the three official militant arms of the Inquistorial forces, so they really dont care.

**1hadhq**

Grey Templar wrote:Which is funny since the Codex Astartes is, dispite being the greatly preferred form of organization, optional. according to the High Lords of Terra(the only organization that actually has jurisdiction over the Adeptus Astartes)

the Inquisition, for the most part, belives it's, already substantial powers, should extend to the entire Imperium even when their powers are clearly spelled out.

ironically, the Grey Knights are larger in size then the Black Templars(assuming the Black Templars are roughly 3,000 marines which isn't a certain thing) with about 4,000 members.

Black Templars have a few more than just 3k.
Their codex shows the numbers the inquisition is aware of and these hint at 7-8k. Now thats what they KNOW.......

And to the traitorus scum out there:
Faith in him on Terra = multiple plastic dreads

**Melissia**

Grey Knights, Necrons, Sisters, Tau, DA or BT, Eldar sounds about right for me. Maybe CSM after Eldar.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I'm hoping BT gets canned and left in the dust. Far too much Marine Codexes as it is. The addition of an Emperor's Champion and the ability to take scouts in normal Tactical Squads as a "Combat Tactics" addon resulting in taking an Emperor's Champion (as well as a resulting Oath along with the Scouts in Tactical Squads for Combat Tactics) shouild be enough.

**1hadhq**

Somehow Codices seem to stay.
There is a unneccessary 'marine' codex tough:
- we could live without CSM and throw these into a book with mutants and renegade IG, like whfb has warriors of chaos and chaos demons.

**MechaEmperor7000**

A "Legions of Chaos" book idea would be great. however it should still contain all of the existing CSM units, but tacking on the Traitor Guard squad, Mutant Rabble, Chaos Warhound packs, Chaos Recon (Basically a select few IG Fast attack choices, like Hell hounds and Sentinels, but not the Devil Dog or Bane Wolf, or the Valk and Vendet) and Chaos Artillery (IG tanks and artilleries), as well as merging Chaos Daemons into the list, with the option of fielding all Daemon Armies, all traitor guard/mutant armies and all CSM armies. If they could also somehow fit the Legion rules back in it would be the best thing they ever released.

However GW is marine centric and knows that Marines sell. Separating them also means they can make you pay twice the amount for half the content.

**Atramentar**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote: However GW is marine centric and knows that Marines sell. Separating them also means they can make you pay twice the amount for half the content.

Too bad they don't feel the same way about chaos legions . . .

**AlmightyWalrus**

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:*sigh*
Black Templars? Do they need it more than Chaos?

Actually, yes. While I agree that the current Chaos codex isn't the most awesome thing ever, it's better (gameplay-wise) than the BT dex. And yes, I'm biased, but everyone is in some way.

**cheapbuster**

I think it'll be marines, DH, Witch hunters, marines, orks, BT, Marines and then maybe 'crons

**Lexx**

cheapbuster wrote:I think it'll be marines, DH, Witch hunters, marines, orks, BT, Marines and then maybe 'crons

Personally I would be moving crons further up that list with the rumor mill slating them for being after grey knights next year.

**Melissia**

cheapbuster wrote:I think it'll be marines, DH, Witch hunters, marines, orks, BT, Marines and then maybe 'crons

DH = Grey Knights = Marines.

There have been no real rumors of marines after Grey Knights aside from some wishlisting. No rumors of Orks, either. ATM, we've only really heard about GK, Necrons, Sisters, and a little tidbit about Tau.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I haven't heard any tidbits about Tau. Most of the "rumors" are just people wishing for Tau.

**AlexHolker**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I haven't heard any tidbits about Tau. Most of the "rumors" are just people wishing for Tau.

There. Now you have heard tidbits about Tau.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Heh. If it wasnt dated, I would have suspected those rumors to be confused with Eldar ones.

**Vasarto**

Yeah, A new Tau Codex would be nice, I gave up Tau as my first army because it sucks...hardcore. I spent a year trying to figure them out and did not win a single game with them and I spent hundreds of dollars on them. I remember a game where six or seven of my unites emptied all of their shots on a single model, I think it was that Avatar thing if I remember correctly. But well over something like 20+ wounds and nothing happened.

I went that entire game without inflicting a single wound and got tabled.

**MechaEmperor7000**

My Tau did pretty good at poping MechMarines. Just make sure they NEVER get into combat with you.

**Slarg232**

Personally, I won't be surprised if they do Codex: Inquisition and merge WH and DH. To me, that would make alot of sense: Two armies that play vastly different from each other contained in one book with specials usable by both of them.

Then, like Codex: Daemons, you could use a general force (Daemons of Chaos or Inquisition, in this case) or a more specialized force that still works well on the battlefield (Specific Gods, or SoB or Grey Knights). With the Codex Inquisition, you would just have to right the rules for Assassins/orbital bombardments once, and both armies would gain the benefit. Just what I would do, not based in any facts or what not.

But honestly, I think it will go to:

2011:
Necrons
Witch Hunters (if not Codex: Inquisition above)
Black Templar (Gots to have that SM army in there somewhere)

2012:
Grey Knights
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons

2013:
Tau
Eldar
Dark Angels

The reason I put Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons all on 2012 is because, if I was GW's marketing consultant, I would tell them to capitalize on the whole "World is going to end with 2012!" idea, redo Daemon Hunters and Daemons, and release a starter set with both of those in them.

The Reason I put Chaos Space Marines in there is because frankly, I think they would be incredibly easy to work on if you were working on them alongside daemons. You could easily figure out ideas and what would work for each, along with fluffy psychic powers/weapons/ chaosy things with both.

**Just Dave**

Slarg232 wrote:Personally, I won't be surprised if they do Codex: Inquisition and merge WH and DH. To me, that would make alot of sense: Two armies that play vastly different from each other contained in one book with specials usable by both of them.

Careful Slarg, you'll awaken 'the beast'...

**Slarg232**

Just Dave wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:Personally, I won't be surprised if they do Codex: Inquisition and merge WH and DH. To me, that would make alot of sense: Two armies that play vastly different from each other contained in one book with specials usable by both of them.

Careful Slarg, you'll awaken 'the beast'...

I fear no evil, for I am fear incar- ..... wait... Wrong army

**Grey Templar**

unfortunantly for you Slarg232, they won't be doing that.

Codex: DH is renamed Codex: GKs like it was originally.

inquisitors will still exist, but will be incredibly bland. ISTs will require a Special Character to field as troops and will be the same as Codex: IG STs(IE: they will suck) so there will be very little reason to use them.

**Slarg232**

Grey Templar wrote:unfortunantly for you Slarg232, they won't be doing that.

Codex: DH is renamed Codex: GKs like it was originally.

I haven't been paying attention to the Rumors Section, and so I ask soley because I don't know, not trying to make a point, but: Do you have proof?

**Just Dave**

None which can be displayed, no. (I expect)...

Strong Rumours are still Strong however.

**Grey Templar**

I can tell you this.

Codex is sometime between Feb and Marchish.

and the others things i have said in the Rumors section which i do not frequent, but i will say things in the GK threads.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Quite frankly, only the grey knights have any creditable rumors. Necron Rumors are still kinda hard to separate from wishful thinking, bladant lies or actual rumors, to say nothing of the rest (mainly because I've seen ALOT of supposid Necron Rumors flying about since the release of Apocalypse, each of them seemingly credible. a good few years later, we're still playing with 3rd edition Crons). The only concrete rumors are the Stormraven and Blood Angels Dreadnoughts (as there are actual pics to back up the claim).

**Da-Rock**

It seems most post the list by what is oldest and needs the most rule updates. I would think GW has a well established track record of releasing things they think or know will make the most money and cost them the least. Knowing that, which armies have made more in the past that will fetch them the most money now?

A lot of talk has been centered around the DH list being released, but has any of the rumors pointed to anything real or with pictures? What if all this DH talk is actually BT as they share much of the same fluff, (Knights Templar were very much the same as the fluff they used for the GKs).

BT are played a lot and have a base of models easily used/sold = marines of course
Necrons are a very popular army even with all the difficulties of a bad codex/outdated.
Tau are popular too and they have it as bad as Necrons

DH and WHs are two armies I almost never see at any gameshop I go to. In fact I would see far more Dark Eldar then both of them. (not counting people who used them strictly for allies in peace meal fashion)

I would not be completely shocked if the Grey Knights were really the BT and GW is leaking just enough info that sounds and smells like either one.