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I like the idea of just two traitor guard going,

'The advise HQ gave us was to run down a hill if chased by a dreadnought, it'd fall over due to its legs and the steepness.

What they didn't tell us what just how fast a pissed off Dreadnought with large guns can charge up BACK that hill.'

Eura wrote:What hill? all I see is a crater that dared to challenge me.

Laughed so hard!

"Sir are you coming with us?" asks the space marine climbing over the hill
"Ill meet you on the other side..." says the dreadnaught taking aim at the hill
"We meet again my acoursed enemy you got me the first time this time you will be bested!"
and wa la smokin crator love it!
XD

Maurin wrote:Simple answer. They just roll down the hills! Think how much damage a rolling dread could inflict to charging infantry

"TANK SHOCK!"

PraetorDave wrote:Imagine how a human would walk down a hill: we bend at the waist, shifting our weight to compensate for the gradient.

Dreadnoughts have a ball joint at the "waist", therefore they would simply bend just like a normal human and shift their weight. Ta-da!

People seem to ignore the fact that the dreadnought sarcophagus is 3x bigger than the legs making it unrealistic that any amount of effort on the dead guy's part will stop him from rolling down the hill.

Note: To the people talking about my backpack example; I was merely inferring that it would be more difficult to go down a hill without falling with a heavy backpack, not impossible. TY for telling me you can go down a hill with a backpack on, congrats.

ivangterrace wrote:Top-heavy.

Walk down a hill with a heavy backpack.

That's actually the easiest part of walking around with a heavy backpack.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:take a look at the Dreadnought in DoW. Clunky, but effective.

Umm.. no. The animation on how they walk in DoW IS physically impossible. Unless they also have some anti-grav, their squat stance would make it impossible for them to lift one leg (in order to take a step forward) without falling back down on it straight away. There is no way a Dread could bring its centre of gravity even momentarily over only one of its legs as to lift the other.

Zweischneid wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:take a look at the Dreadnought in DoW. Clunky, but effective.

Umm.. no. The animation on how they walk in DoW IS physically impossible. Unless they also have some anti-grav, their squat stance would make it impossible for them to lift one leg (in order to take a step forward) without falling back down on it straight away. There is no way a Dread could bring its centre of gravity even momentarily over only one of its legs as to lift the other.

they indiana jones it.

Their 'toes' are flexible and have joints, so they likely have knee joints as well.

Kanluwen wrote:Their 'toes' are flexible and have joints, so they likely have knee joints as well.

Joints are irrelevant. They can have as many joints as they like. The problem is centre of gravity. The way the Dread is build with short, squat, far apart legs below a wide, heavy body, it could not possibly lift a leg from the ground. It's design makes it impossible to balance/centre its mass above one leg in order unburden the other to move it off the ground in the first place. Similar perhaps to how most wider, four-legged animals (say a cow) cannot lift both legs on one side simultaniously. Their width/weight and wide stance in relation to their height simply makes it impossible.

And fat humans have the same problem, but don't tumble and roll now do they?

Kanluwen wrote:And fat humans have the same problem, but don't tumble and roll now do they?

some do...

Kanluwen wrote:And fat humans have the same problem, but don't tumble and roll now do they?

They do occasionally.

I think we can just file this one in with "how do Terminators get up if they've fallen over?" and "how the hell does a marine fit in terminator armour with the shoulders being higher than the head?" and just go with rule of cool.

A Dreadnought cant be that heavy. Remember there not just a solid piece of metal its a tank filled with support liquid with part of the space marine in there. In that case as well there could be a pendulum like device that adds extra weight in to keep it centered.

They hang around until a SM/imperial ship comes along, puts them on the tow cable bit and get a lift to the bottom. Basically thy hitch-hike!

a small waagh wrote:They hang around until a SM/imperial ship comes along, puts them on the tow cable bit and get a lift to the bottom. Basically thy hitch-hike!

or a ski lift

Fafnir wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And fat humans have the same problem, but don't tumble and roll now do they?

They do occasionally.

I think we can just file this one in with "how do Terminators get up if they've fallen over?" and "how the hell does a marine fit in terminator armour with the shoulders being higher than the head?" and just go with rule of cool.

For Termies, I think their arms and legs have enough mobility to allow them to get back up if they fall over.

For their shoulders, I think it is simply that the shoulder armour plating of termy suits is so big and oversized it gives the impression that the shoulders are above the head.

But I agree with Zweischneid, how a dread walks is quite a mystery. It is quite the same thing with titans when you think about it. They have a similar design.

Maybe when walking, one of the dread's leg gives a powerful impulsion (therefore lifting half the dread's body in the air) while the other leg makes the body rotate forward. This would mean that when the first leg touches the ground again, it falls further than the second leg. The second leg then lifts the other half of the dread's body in the air, etc.

Laodamia wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And fat humans have the same problem, but don't tumble and roll now do they?

They do occasionally.

I think we can just file this one in with "how do Terminators get up if they've fallen over?" and "how the hell does a marine fit in terminator armour with the shoulders being higher than the head?" and just go with rule of cool.

For Termies, I think their arms and legs have enough mobility to allow them to get back up if they fall over.

Honestly, I doubt it. Maybe if they fell on their front, but if they fell on their back, they're too wide to roll over, and their arms aren't long enough to push them back to their feet from behind. Likewise, they're too top-heavy to get up just by using their legs.

For their shoulders, I think it is simply that the shoulder armour plating of termy suits is so big and oversized it gives the impression that the shoulders are above the head.

It's pretty clear just by looking at the models and artwork that the entire arm/shoulder joint is placed above the head, not just the shoulders.. The only terminators where this is not the case are Grey Knight terminators.

Don't they have ankle and waist joints?

Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-L_QiovCK0

They don't.

Fafnir wrote:
Honestly, I doubt it. Maybe if they fell on their front, but if they fell on their back, they're too wide to roll over, and their arms aren't long enough to push them back to their feet from behind. Likewise, they're too top-heavy to get up just by using their legs.

For their shoulders, I think it is simply that the shoulder armour plating of termy suits is so big and oversized it gives the impression that the shoulders are above the head.

It's pretty clear just by looking at the models and artwork that the entire arm/shoulder joint is placed above the head, not just the shoulders.. The only terminators where this is not the case are Grey Knight terminators.

All right, all right. You got me.

How does a terminator get back up after falling over? By being awesome.

Same thing for a dread walking up/down a hill. They just do it by being awesome.

Logic + Warhammer = ???

Cannot compute...