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The_Savior wrote:I see.. I think it's more of a list thing.

Call it whatever you want OCD for list building or whatever, but I like seeing it even.

Me to. But I also like seeing it even after including characters that will be sitting in said units . Tides if you weren't on another continent I'd play that Throgg list for the vomit based comedy that would ensue! Great list and has a ton of character.

Thanks, Lexx! As to the size of the units, I can go both ways, I guess it's easier for me to stomach at an "odd" number like 17 or 18, rather than choosing between 19 and 20... no biggie either way

Just to update, I picked up 2 hellcannons and 4 ironguts at DakkaCon, and have bits coming to convert up a sorcerer on disc and a bsb on juggernaut... so I may end up fielding the trollstar army a bit earlier (and possibly at a higher point level) if Mike allows special characters for his "The Big Show" GT! (it's at 2999 points)

Will post up a new list once I have that stuff together for the higher point level, if it turns out I can go to it . One way or another I'll be shooting to have it all painted up for one of these summer GTs.

Alternate list, downgrading the DP to a sorcerer, and adding 4 ogres with the savings:

Throgg - 175
Sorcerer, Lvl 2, MoT, Talisman of Endurance, Charmed Shield, Disc, Third Eye - 220
Exalted, BSB, MoT, Talisman of Preservation, Shield, Disc - 215
17 trolls - 765
8 Ogres, Mus, Std, CA, GWs - 430
8 Ogres, Mus, Std, CA, GWs - 430
Hounds - 30
Hounds - 30
Hellcannon - 205
Total = 2500

For a nearly identical cost to the 4 ogres, I could put in another Hellcannon instead, but it seems like the ogre units need the numbers more. If I'm going to commit to them, I feel like I need to go all the way... so I'm considering dropping a unit of hounds and the sorcerer's level 2 to get MoK. Would the 4 attacks be worth it?

I actually own all of this stuff now just waiting for the parts to convert up the sorcerer! And I need to put together these large metal hunks they call hellcannons...

Swap the talismans on the sorcerer and exalted - face it, the BSB is way more important than the IF caster, and also way more likely to be in combat and needing that better ward - and I'm a big fan. I run units of 8 ironguts in my ogres and love 'em, and these chaos ones are just about the same, but with more armor (and less impacts). Losing the DP loses some cool power but he was an awfully concentrated dose of points, and you've plenty of monstrosity to go around still. I also like the single hellcannon - less cheesy but also one less model that can blow itself up

Prefer the double dogs and the second tizz spell over kr0n ogres myself.

- Salvage

I am kind of sad to see the DP go bye-bye, I felt like he really fit your theme, but alas I see the benefit of getting 4 more ogres. Can I suggest you convert up some beastmen models to use as your BSB and sorcerer to keep with the theme?

Wait, never mind. I remember seeing your ogre BSB on a disc and so is your sorcerer. That works for me.

On the MoK for the ogres or the level 2 and a unit of hounds, I would suggest keeping the level and the hounds.

I am not really sure about the 4 ogres or another hellcannon though. I am leaning towards the 4 ogres too, but I could be easily swayed to having another hellcannon. Maybe you should just convince everyone to play 3k. Then you could have your cake and Edith too.

Glad you like it, Salvage . I thought the sorc would need the better ward to survive miscasts with? (Or maybe he doesn't get it against that, memory is fuzzy this late).

Boogeyman- The DP is still around, just might not be in my most competitive build, which is what I'm trying to come up with here! For most games I'll be splitting the trolls in two, too .

You're right that my characters are ogre-type models, so they still fit in! Also nice to see you're both leaning towards the ogres over 2nd hellcannon, and hounds/wizard level over mark, helps me make up my mind!

About 3K, I do have a list for it- basically the above, plus 2 trolls and the DP . Mike at Showcase has a fantasy GT in the summer that is 2999, using ETC-like rules but only banning some special characters (so Throgg's OK, I checked!). I'd run a unit of 9 and 10 trolls for that... handily my units are all just under the limit of 450 points (ETC restrictions) anyway! I think it'll be quite a convincing list in that format, and as I've gotten in the bottom 3 at each of his tournies I've attended, it's quite tempting. So cake and edith, indeed!

Edited the above list to reflect the swapped ward saves