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Joske - if you place the droppods initial position on top of another model, and roll a "hit", you WILL MISHAP as you can only reduce scatter, never increase it

If you are within 12" of the edge of the table and scatter in that direction, you WILL MISHAP

the pod is NOT immune to *all* mishap, just *some*

u can't put his initial position on a model??!! that's against the core rules of deepstriking.. and if the pod scatters you need to reduce the scatter distance just enough to avoid a mishap.. a pod cannot mishap.. the guidance system prevents it.. codex: Space marines entry droppod clearly states that..

Joske De Veteraan wrote:u can't put his initial position on a model??!!

Yes you can.


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Joske De Veteraan wrote:a pod cannot mishap..

Yes, it can, as the previous posters pointed out.


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Joske De Veteraan wrote:codex: Space marines entry droppod clearly states that..

It never mentions Mishap, actually.

Joske De Veteraan wrote:u can't put his initial position on a model??!! that's against the core rules of deepstriking.. and if the pod scatters you need to reduce the scatter distance just enough to avoid a mishap.. a pod cannot mishap.. the guidance system prevents it.. codex: Space marines entry droppod clearly states that..

Firstly, reread the forum rules, and drop the "u"

Secondly, please actually show these rules, as the rules in MY C: Space Marines never ever mentions a mishap. Ever.

1) You CAN place the DP on top of a model. What part of "place the model ANYWHERE" did you miss?
2) It *reduces* scatter, NEVER increases, and ONLY if it would land on IMPASSABLE TERRAIN. Is the edge of the board IT? If you believe it is, please provide a rule. Hint: it isnt.

clearly seems ur drop pod has done some things it actually isn't allowed to xD

Iv have a marine codex at home and indeed it can still mishap being too close too the table edge. and you can only decrease the scatter as well, not increase :p

and iv'e founded out that my monolith has been destroyed in vain as difficult terrain doesn't make you mishap!
also my lord should have been teleported to many locations without being dead as well! xD

an dangerous terrain isn't even that bad! only on a 1 my monolith would get actually stuck!, now I know why so much players have good faith in deep striking a monolith xD

anyways, drop pod became less effective, monolith again got more powerful. lucky me

Clearly seems your drop pod has done some things it actually isn't allowed to xD

I've had a marine codex at home, and indeed, it can still mishap from being too close too the table edge. And you can only decrease the scatter as well, not increase :p

And I've founded out that my monolith has been destroyed in vain as difficult terrain doesn't make you mishap!

Also my lord should have been teleported to many locations without being dead as well! xD

And dangerous terrain isn't even that bad! Only on a 1 would my monolith would get actually stuck!, (I actually support exclamation commas and their creation a a legitimate form of punctuation where the emphasis place on the word is both sudden and not appropriate for ending a sentence) now I know why so many players have good faith in deep striking a monolith xD

Anyway, drop podding? became less effective, monolith again got more powerful. Lucky me

And that's only a light scouring!
Is it just me or have our standards been slipping after new-years?

On topic, wilfully placing one DP into a position where it would mishap is in no way going to be affected by inertial guidance, as people have been saying.

ChrisCP wrote:

Clearly seems your drop pod has done some things it actually isn't allowed to xD

I've had a marine codex at home, and indeed, it can still mishap from being too close too the table edge. And you can only decrease the scatter as well, not increase :p

And I've founded out that my monolith has been destroyed in vain as difficult terrain doesn't make you mishap!

Also my lord should have been teleported to many locations without being dead as well! xD

And dangerous terrain isn't even that bad! Only on a 1 would my monolith would get actually stuck!, (I actually support exclamation commas and their creation a a legitimate form of punctuation where the emphasis place on the word is both sudden and not appropriate for ending a sentence) now I know why so many players have good faith in deep striking a monolith xD

Anyway, drop podding? became less effective, monolith again got more powerful. Lucky me

And that's only a light scouring!
Is it just me or have our standards been slipping after new-years?

On topic, wilfully placing one DP into a position where it would mishap is in no way going to be affected by inertial guidance, as people have been saying.

If you haven't noticed, i'm from belgium -.- so maybe try thinking where other people come from before you judge their english...

first of all..: nosferatu: it says anyware on the TABLE not just anyware..
and you must be a real dumbass if you try to deepstrike it onto a model.. it can only deep strike on the table not on models.. what if you roll a hit? hmm? a mishap.. shure that's smart.. like you wanted them to mishap.. the only vehicle that deep strikes onto models is a mono.. nothing else.. second, what kind of terrain is the edge of the gaming surface? hm? that's right impassible terrain.. inertial guidance system of a droppod says: "should a DP SCATTER ONto a model or impassible terrain.. then reduce the scatter distance to AVOID the OBSTACLE" other words to avoid a MISHAP!! and i never said it could INcrease to avoid a mishap.. so IMO my DP just never mishaps.. I will never ever try to land him on a enemy or friendly model what's the point anyway?? losing a pod due to an impposible mishap.. litteraly waisting 200+ points because i want to deepstrike it on enemy models boehoehoe.. and think like it would be in real life.. a pod landing on a enemy.. crushes it underneath.. they could do it in the rles from the past but they can't anymore.. and the off the table edge.. how would you describe that?? any other unit has to deal with it like impassible terrain except the DP's ooooooh because that makes sence.. really great thinking.. (there are exceptions ofcourse like retrating but that's not the point here..)

Joske De Veteraan wrote:first of all..: nosferatu: it says anyware on the TABLE not just anyware..
and you must be a real dumbass if you try to deepstrike it onto a model.. it can only deep strike on the table not on models.. what if you roll a hit? hmm? a mishap.. shure that's smart.. like you wanted them to mishap.. the only vehicle that deep strikes onto models is a mono.. nothing else.. second, what kind of terrain is the edge of the gaming surface? hm? that's right impassible terrain.. inertial guidance system of a droppod says: "should a DP SCATTER ONto a model or impassible terrain.. then reduce the scatter distance to AVOID the OBSTACLE" other words to avoid a MISHAP!! and i never said it could INcrease to avoid a mishap.. so IMO my DP just never mishaps.. I will never ever try to land him on a enemy or friendly model what's the point anyway?? losing a pod due to an impposible mishap.. litteraly waisting 200+ points because i want to deepstrike it on enemy models boehoehoe.. and think like it would be in real life.. a pod landing on a enemy.. crushes it underneath.. they could do it in the rles from the past but they can't anymore.. and the off the table edge.. how would you describe that?? any other unit has to deal with it like impassible terrain except the DP's ooooooh because that makes sence.. really great thinking.. (there are exceptions ofcourse like retrating but that's not the point here..)

Deepstriking isn't movement and says place anywhere on the board. If you couldn't intentionally deepstrike onto an enemy model then the Mawloc ability wouldn't be worth two squirts. As far as what actually happens when you DS a pod onto a model?...well who cares as fluff isn't rules. Also drop the attitude a notch.

And finally...what page in the rules can I find the definition for what "off the board" counts as?

Joske De Veteraan wrote:first of all..: nosferatu: it says anyware on the TABLE not just anyware..
and you must be a real dumbass if you try to deepstrike it onto a model.. it can only deep strike on the table not on models..

Do you disallow deepstrikes into all terrain, or just impassable?

Joske - um, no.

Please, provide some rules quotes to back up your assertions:

1) You assert the edge of the board is impassable terrain. Page number please. Oh, and I assume you never allow Reserves to walk on from a table edge?

2) Find a rule that says you cannot place it on another model. Oh wait, it says "anywhere", so I guess it means exactly that.

If you play that your drop pod never mishaps - well, I guess that means you are cheating.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Joske - if you place the droppods initial position on top of another model, and roll a "hit", you WILL MISHAP as you can only reduce scatter, never increase it

Devil's advocate: What if you reduce by a negative number? ^^

Off the table edge is said to be a mishap, and as the table edge could be anything, you are completally wrong there joske... and the people who told you about landing ur pod on models was just an example. And in fact you can deepstrike models on models, for example its a tactic to actually do so with the monolith...

Drop pods do avoid mishaps of impassible terrain or models but not the table edge or other mishap variants. face it, table edge isn't impassible terrain xD, in the rulebook they clearly give examples of what impassible terrain is or could be :p (actual terrain pieces to be exact)

further more, joske didn't say he would ever increase it, or do anything else. Yet I can confirm now that some rules have been broken over the games . So joske keep it real there is no such thing as 'never mishap' , something can always go wrong.

@zeshin: Deepstriking doesn't state being movement. But, the rulebook states: 'In that turn's Shooting phase, these units can fire (or run) as normal, and obviously count as having moved in the previuos movement phase. Vechicles count as having moved at cruising speed.' so technically you have moved point for the mono, he can fire its ordanance weapon because he can do so even after movement. ^^ which is clearly stated in the codex XD

@almightywarlus: nice one

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Joske - if you place the droppods initial position on top of another model, and roll a "hit", you WILL MISHAP as you can only reduce scatter, never increase it

Devil's advocate: What if you reduce by a negative number? ^^

Negative numbers arent part of the set of natural numbers the game is measured in.

RutgerMan wrote:
If you haven't noticed, i'm from belgium -.- so maybe try thinking where other people come from before you judge their english...

Why would I possible attribute your country of origin towards poor typing? That would stink of prejudice ""United Gabbers against racism & facism"

More seriously, sorry if you took umbrage at being singled out, but it's a growing trend for people to fail to capitalise the start of sentence, "I" and the like, something I know that even for people whom English is a second language, are capable of correcting.
And here at dakka, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/218249.page "5. Please be intelligible. We strongly encourage proper punctuation, spelling, grammar and composition, but if we can't understand you, we'll ignore you. Before you post, hit the Preview button and double-check what you've written before posting it, and remember that you can always go back and edit your posts to fix any problems. I usually don't catch my mistakes until after I've posted, so you'll see a lot of "This post was edited 2 times" in small letters at the bottom of my posts. "

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Joske - if you place the droppods initial position on top of another model, and roll a "hit", you WILL MISHAP as you can only reduce scatter, never increase it

Devil's advocate: What if you reduce by a negative number? ^^

If you did what would your result be? Oh! An increase in scatter, we're not given permission for that

RutgerMan wrote:@zeshin: Deepstriking doesn't state being movement. But, the rulebook states: 'In that turn's Shooting phase, these units can fire (or run) as normal, and obviously count as having moved in the previuos movement phase. Vechicles count as having moved at cruising speed.' so technically you have moved point for the mono, he can fire its ordanance weapon because he can do so even after movement. ^^ which is clearly stated in the codex XD

Counting as moving and actually having to follow all the rules for moving are two different things. And more importantly the act of deepstriking doesn't count as moving, the unit who did the deepstriking count as moving.

Also the Monolith may use it's power matrix on the turn it DS but it is debatable whether the "Ordnance" ability of the power matrix may be used or only the teleport ability (not the thread to start that discussion but if you do a search you will find many threads on the subject of Monolith ordnance and DS).

Joske De Veteraan wrote: and you must be a real dumbass if you try to deepstrike it onto a model.. it can only deep strike on the table not on models..

How about we leave the insults in the playground, hmm?

Whether or not deepstriking onto other models is a smart thing to do is completely separate to whether or not it's legal... which it is, as evidenced by the Monolith's special rules, and by the Tyranid FAQ's clarification on the Mawloc/Trygon.

second, what kind of terrain is the edge of the gaming surface?

It's not any type of terrain. You just can't voluntarily move off it. Models can move over the edge of the board if forced to do so... by falling back, or deep strike scattering, for example.


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ChrisCP wrote:More seriously, sorry if you took umbrage at being singled out, but it's a growing trend for people to fail to capitalise the start of sentence, "I" and the like, something I know that even for people whom English is a second language, are capable of correcting.
And here at dakka, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/218249.page "5. Please be intelligible. We strongly encourage proper punctuation, spelling, grammar and composition, but if we can't understand you, we'll ignore you. Before you post, hit the Preview button and double-check what you've written before posting it, and remember that you can always go back and edit your posts to fix any problems. I usually don't catch my mistakes until after I've posted, so you'll see a lot of "This post was edited 2 times" in small letters at the bottom of my posts. "

While you're grabbing excerpts from the forum rules, you might like to check up on the appropriate thing to do if you see a post that you feel doesn't conform to those rules.

Please leave the moderating to the moderators.

zeshin wrote:

RutgerMan wrote:@zeshin: Deepstriking doesn't state being movement. But, the rulebook states: 'In that turn's Shooting phase, these units can fire (or run) as normal, and obviously count as having moved in the previuos movement phase. Vechicles count as having moved at cruising speed.' so technically you have moved point for the mono, he can fire its ordanance weapon because he can do so even after movement. ^^ which is clearly stated in the codex XD

Counting as moving and actually having to follow all the rules for moving are two different things. And more importantly the act of deepstriking doesn't count as moving, the unit who did the deepstriking count as moving.

Also the Monolith may use it's power matrix on the turn it DS but it is debatable whether the "Ordnance" ability of the power matrix may be used or only the teleport ability (not the thread to start that discussion but if you do a search you will find many threads on the subject of Monolith ordnance and DS).

I didn't say that you have actually moved then, but you do count as having moved :p wich means no heavy weapons for non-relentless infantry etc...