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Shas'O Dorian wrote:
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GamzaTheChaos wrote:
bolster some ruins x2 for your tank and scouts.

Won't help your tanks. It only affects cover saves, which are only taken against wounds. Your tank & TFC would still only benefit from a 4+ obscured.

There's no such thing as an "obscured" save, "obscured" is the state a vehicle that gets cover saves is in, and those cover saves vary depending on what's granting the cover, just like with infantry. The only time it defaults to 4+ is when a piece of wargear confers the "obscured" status without specifying a specific save value. Read page 62 of the BRB.

well i have two ideas heres my chaos one

DP wings MoN warptime
DP wings MoN warptime

5 CSM melta
5 CSM melta

thats if i remember correctly and those DP are 165 each

and here is my guard
CCS
2x autocannon (idr if you can do that or not dont have my codex on me)
chimera
heavy stubber

vets
chimera
3 melta

vets
3 flamer
demolitons

vendetta

guardsmen marbo

no, can't do that with ccs. 1hvy only. what you can do is tool it up with 4 plasmas though.

an Ork army I'd like to use...

kff big mek w/ Burna
30 shoota boys with 2 rokkit launchers
29 shoota boys 2 rokkit launchers

the guard army I actually use
CCS 4 snipers, PP
Vets with 3 PG, AC
platoon
PCS
20 guards
3AC
3ML

combine the 2 guards, spam frfsrf and fire on my target. As much as I like Marbo (and I do), In 500 points I'd rather have more boots on the ground.

I've seen 2x30 ork boyz squads and mad dok grotsnik at the 500 point level. It is super hard to kill the dok squad and with 3 PKs has a lot of dmg output.

Steve Shields wrote:well i have two ideas heres my chaos one

DP wings MoN warptime
DP wings MoN warptime

5 CSM melta
5 CSM melta

thats if i remember correctly and those DP are 165 each
...

They're 175. This list is doable without the meltas, with unmarked princes, or by taking something cheaper than warptime. Nurgle's rot for crowd control perhaps?

This works:
DP, MoN, Nurgle's Rot, Wings - 165
DP, MoN, Nurgle's Rot, Wings - 165
5 CSM, melta - 85
5 CSM, melta - 85

500 pts on the money. Crowd control in two shots of nurgle's rot and a pair of meltas for AT work.

I'd consider this list as an aspirant world eaters fan, more for fun though:

Kharn the Betrayer- 165
5x Khorne Berserker, champ with fist - 166
5x Khorne Berserker, champ with fist - 166

Defilers are some of the best units in the game imo. with their large blast spam and ignoring stunned and shaken results they are practically unstoppable. This is the list I prefer to use.

Chaos lord-MoS TW bolter

5-marines

5 marines

2 rhino's with havoc launcher

1 defiler


with three templates, this list is pretty good at anti-horde. And it can easily stop feel no pain units too.

how would you stop MC spam with that list blitza? my csm 500 list has two t6 DP

HQ

CCS - 50

Troops

Vet squad w/ GL - 75

Vet squad w/ GL - 75

Heavy Support

Leman Russ Battle Tank or Exterminator = 150

Leman Russ Battle Tank or Exterminator = 150

Total = 500

I am sure you would earn alot of TFG points for 2 Russes however. Could even drop the 2 GL for an Eradicator.

For Necrons:

Lord w/ Staff of Light
Warriors x 10
Warriors x 10
Scarab Swarms x 3

Turboboost the Swarms forward and rip into enemy shooters, especially against Tau

My 500 SM list was/is

Librarian- Avenger, Null Zone
5 scouts (5 Sniper)
5 Scouts (CCW/BP)
2 Speeders MM
1 Speeder Typhoone/HB
1 Attack bike HB

500 even

The key is to keep your troops alive, and moving if need be. Against MCs there's plenty of firepower, and it's VERY difficult at 500 points to drop that many manuverable heavy weapons. Librarian's powers may be something to be changed, but I've personally had good experiences with those abilities.