Podcasts and their Content: Signs of the Times?

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**thehod**

Augustus wrote:Warmachine (privateer press) has been piggybacking on GW since they started.

Some of their stuff is such an obvious rip it's rather juvenile, Skorne? Really?

Its no surprise that they are showing up in other places besides stores right next to GW, because thats been their obvious plan all along.

Unfortunately because it's an obvious lower price point clone, it will never take the title.

Its his opinion and who are we to tell him otherwise.

Here are the facts:

Warmachine is a game
40k is a game

Play with what you like and if Warmachine is your idea of fun, then play. If 40k is your idea of fun, then play that.

**Bakerofish**

off topic:

one of the reasons that I got into Warmachine was because it WASNT grimdark.

i like my goodguys to win. i like my badguys to be scheming hissing entities who would scream "STRYKERRRRRR!!!' when their plans fall apart.

One guy in our community said that the fluff of Warmachine is like a saturday morning cartoon

and he's right

and thats not a bad thing

one thing i lament that GW lost was that sense of hammy fun that they had in the beginning. Orks still have it to some extent and i guess thats why im most interested in them if i ever do pick up 40k.

on topic:

sometimes you just run out of things to talk about if you focus on ONE thing. these guys obviously like 'casting and if theyre limited by their current material shouldnt we be happy that they branch out?

**CyberShadow**

Just maybe.... All of the podcasts mentioned have been going for a while now, and the guys running them are branching out, and want to podcast to go with them. I dont think that it is unusual or a sign of anything prophetic, just that any player who plays one set of games for a while (1 year +) feels a desire to try something else every now and again.

**spaceelf**

infinite_array wrote:
Will there be a day (and if so, how far away is it?) when new gamers walk into their LGS and the first thing they see are walls lined with non-GW products, and the Space Marines and High Elves have been placed in the back corner?

This is precisely the reason that GW is still putting so much focus on its stores. Naturally you can't play non GW games there, or use non GW miniatures. I think that if GW stores fail, so will GW. We shall see how it works out for them. Sadly, I don't think that GW stores will do well. WOTC stores folded and they sold lots of different stuff including GW products.

**Scott-S6**

I don't see warmahordes and 40K/WHFB as direct competitors at all.

With GW dropping Necromunda and Mordheim it's no surprise that other people are stepping up with skirmish games.

**Grot 6**

infinite_array wrote:I've noticed a very interesting trend in gaming Podcasts in the past half year. For the longest time, some of the more popular shows - Podhammer, Worlds End Radio, and Dice Like Thunder - have been Games Workshop centric. Dice Like Thunder and Podhammer covered Warhammer 40k and Warhammer Fantasy respectively, and Worlds End Radio was a smorgasbord of GW produced products (I may not be exaggerating when I say that not a single episode has gone by when the words 'Blood Bowl' have been said - not that I'm complaining!). Recently, however, there has been a shift in focus in these shows.

As Dice Like Thunder fans know, that show ended and restarted with The Eternal Warriors, which now focuses on Warhammer 40k and Warmachine.

In the latest episode of Podhammer, Jeff talks about his interest in Warmachine, the fact that he's started a Khador army, and that Podhammer will now feature a bit more content from Privateer Press.

Worlds End Radio has had some changes as well, with show content now changing from feature for other games to show time devoted to Warmachine & Hordes, Malifaux, and games produced by Spartan Games.

I'm curious as to how much longer still 'pure GW' shows - like The Independent Warriors and 40k Radio - will hold out, until they become a mixed game podcast as well.

So, here's the thing. Is this still more proof that wargamers are moving away from GW and to other systems, or at least branching out a bit more? Is this a sign of GW's declining hold over the interests of wargaming? Will there be a day (and if so, how far away is it?) when new gamers walk into their LGS and the first thing they see are walls lined with non-GW products, and the Space Marines and High Elves have been placed in the back corner?

They are doing what is natural when GW in the gaming industry isn't the focus anymore. A few years ago, GW was the better of most options for gaming, now with the Warmahordes players having more then just the first five or six issues of minis to play with, you are seeing a general dislike of GW's attitude, the whole changing of the guard thing, and the way in which GW quite diretly has decided that "No On Talk about fightclub!" Mentality with thier stupidsecret way of not even previewing new and upcoming products, promoting thier product, and even just relating to the fans. Feth them- They don't really give discussion material to people to even talk about.

Thier corperate attitude doesn't lend itself to general discussion, anyway. Look at the way in which they've decided to treat thier games. Pretty much left Fantasy out to dry, and only inchworm thier way with releases for the 40K range, while dropping Specialist games off of the preverbial deep end.

There is only so much "Bad move GW!" people really even want, or need to talk about anyway. GW wants to think that the internet doesn't even exist. Let them keep thinking that while they pull a Detroit and go the way of the dinosaur.

**Mannahnin**

I agree that the obvious reasons seem to be:

A) That any podcast which goes on for a while starts to need to branch out to cover more topics, or they start getting repetitive and covering the same ground.

B) That many/most enthusiastic gamers DO play more than one game, and it's only natural for them to talk about them, especially given A.

I like WM/Hordes. When I was almost exclusively playing my weekly games with the crew that D6G sprang from, I eventually started WM when that group moved on to playing it much more than 40k; though I also kept playing 40k and WH, unlike many of those guys. That's part of why I now split my Tuesdays between that group and a store with a good ongoing 40k league. I don't think of WM/Hordes as a ripoff of any kind. Their marketing and strategy certainly targets GW gamers in a lot of ways, but that only makes sense. I don't think the fluff is at all similar.

The games offer significantly different looks/feels/play experiences. They are at different scales, different levels of detail, and function differently in terms of strategies and tactics. I quite enjoyed WM when I was playing it. I just found that I didn't care for the fluff or the army scale and look/feel on the table enough to get as deeply into it as I did with WH & 40k. And because I didn't have enough interest in the feel, I didn't have enough motivation to learn the units, special rules, and strategies well enough to play at the level I prefer.