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All infantry daemons versus all infantry GK the daemons have got a fighting chance, 40 Blood Letters spell doom for the 25 models that the GK player will call his 2000 point list.

Daemons are not competitive, but they arent helpless. Unless the GK player is serious about surviving, picking off a few models here and there and the scary GK will be short lived.

I don't think they're not competative. I'm playing a tourny next weekend with a hard list.

I think it'll be hard but I have a chance. I can already guess that space wolves will win and blood angels will come second but 3rd will be nice...

Inquisitor rex got charged by demons turn 2 of my apoc game, a demon prince and bloodthirster and fell fast. My interrogator chaplain and devastator fell victim to the skulltakers apoc formation but slaughtered the two demon squads. Then I vortexed skulltaker and half the demon units....LOL.

With the right setup and first turn, a Grey Knight player can actually make it physically impossible for a Daemons player to deploy without mishapping.

Yes, Daemons are over.