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insaniak wrote:

You don't always know what oppoent you'll be up against...

By the time you're deploying your army, you certainly should have some idea of what you're up against.

Further than that, by the time you're deploying, you know exactly what is in your opponent's army list. If there's 90 infiltrators, maybe you should deploy something.

If there's 90 infiltrators, you should probably deploy everything!

DeathReaper wrote:
1: Say Good Game (while using air quotes), and go find someone else, who wont be a and play them instead.

2: laugh at your opponent and say 'Really? How about we play an actual game'

3: if you have tanks, tank shock him where he has no weapons that can hurt your tank and come on the board that way.

I really don't think that is being gracious.

1 - First of all, if you reserved your whole army, you probably deserved it.
2 - It was a real game, and if you reserved your army you made a huge mistake which lost you the game right away

If I reserved my whole army and that happened, I would give the victory to my opponent and not make the same mistake twice when I play them again.

I'd thank them for the game, blame the beer (I must have been drinking if I let this happen), credit them with the win (if in a tournament), and ask them for another game for the fun of playing.

The Bringer wrote:
I really don't think that is being gracious.

1 - First of all, if you reserved your whole army, you probably deserved it.
2 - It was a real game, and if you reserved your army you made a huge mistake which lost you the game right away

If I reserved my whole army and that happened, I would give the victory to my opponent and not make the same mistake twice when I play them again.

So it is gracious to deploy all of your scouts on one board edge just to deny the game we were trying to play?

It is a move. It will not win you any friends, while technically legal (IMO there should be eratta that you can't deploy within 3 or 6 inches of your opponents board edge), in practice this should never be the way people should play. If you have to resort to this tactic to try and deny your opponent deployment why play at all? Since you are not playing a game when you do this.

It does not have any effect on me personally, I usually bring a at least two tanks and I usually deploy something, so I could just tank shock through the lines and that is quick KP's for me.

But it is a dishonorable move.

DeathReaper wrote: But it is a dishonorable move.

More dishonerable than putting nothing on the board denying your opponent the opportunity to shoot at or assault anything for their first 2 turns?

DeathReaper wrote:

But it is a dishonorable move.

"You can wash away disgrace with results."
— Archer, Fate/stay night

DeathReaper wrote:But it is a dishonorable move.

If I do it to you in a tournament and then promise to commit seppuku after the event, will you still complain as we fill out the score cards?

@ Timewizard It is honorable, since I can not shoot you either.

@ Mann that would be acceptable!

Honor restored!

@ ChrisWWII

"A Cadet will not lie, cheat and steal and not tolerate those who do." - Brother Captain Reaper of the Blood Drinkers.

FOR THE EMPERIUM, FOR THE EMPEROR!

Why agree to play a game then deploy like that and not play?

Nothing dishonourable about taking advantage of your opponents mistakes. And as mistakes go reserving your whole army against a mass of infiltrators or high speed units is a pretty big one. Why would you put your army in a position where it could be completely wiped out without effort voluntarily?

Ah, but that's as a cadet. Tell me, as a soldier, would you really surrender a tactical advantage presented to you simply because it's 'not fair'? I definitely wouldn't.

DeathReaper wrote:@ Timewizard It is honorable, since I can not shoot you either.

Yes, but that would be by your choice, not mine.

As for honorable, I will do my best to win, not at all costs, not at the cost of fun or friendship, but I will ruthlessly exploit any mistake my opponent might make.

Then afterwards over a beverage of choice, I'll discuss it with my opponent so hopefully they will avoid such a mistake in future.

In the end, myself and my opponents playing each and every game, regardless of outcome.

We do this for fun afterall!

If we sit down to play a game of 40k, one can reasonably expect a full game of 40k to be played. (at least a few turns)

Deploying with such a move robs everyone involved of a good game.

I have a few tanks on hand at all times, and If i don't its an all DS list so the deploying on "my" table edge does not affect the army I bring to the table.

I would never pull a stunt like this, just to get a cheap win, and I can only petition for my battle brothers to follow this cause! as well as write GW and have them make a erratum for this rule.

time wizard wrote:
As for honorable, I will do my best to win, not at all costs, not at the cost of fun or friendship, but I will ruthlessly exploit any mistake my opponent might make.

We do this for fun afterall!

Mistakes on the opponent are one thing, But this is ruthlessly exploiting the rules.

Not likely to happen.

Too many win fans out there. Not nearly enough game fans..

Yes, you deploying everything in reserve robbed you of a game lasting more than a turn because you decided to hand your opponent the win.

If you wanted a game, why did you do something that will lose you the game before it even starts? Given it takes only a few minutes for you to not deploy anything and for him to deploy enough infiltrators to make it obvious that you've just thrown the game why don't you then play another game where you don't do something monumentally stupid?

As I said this tactic does not affect me, I have enough tanks to tank shock my way on, or all DS list and my board edge does not matter to me.

For the opponent to pull that move they must not want to play a game.

It is a shady move that will not win you any friends, and robs all involved of a well fought game.

It's not exploiting the rules. Your opponent should know your army list. If he sees you have a horde of infiltrators, he should know that reserving everything may not be the best idea. If he reserves everything, and you subsequently pull this trick on him, how is it exploiting the rules more than exploiting your opponents stupidity? If I'm in a tournament, I would not hesitate to do this.

If it was a pick up or friendly game, I would inform him when he says he's going to reserve everything what I am about to do, and give him a chance to change his deployment.

ChrisWWII wrote:It's not exploiting the rules. Your opponent should know your army list. If he sees you have a horde of infiltrators, he should know that reserving everything may not be the best idea. If he reserves everything, and you subsequently pull this trick on him, how is it exploiting the rules more than exploiting your opponents stupidity? If I'm in a tournament, I would not hesitate to do this.

If it was a pick up or friendly game, I would inform him when he says he's going to reserve everything what I am about to do, and give him a chance to change his deployment.

The fact that you had to use the bold phrase above should say something.

in a friendly game, if you are going to deploy like that why even play?

If this happened were I play we would rib the guy it happened to, while high five the guy that did to him. If the guy we rib for it takes it presonal and get upset, well then we really didn't want him in a group anyways. Its a GAME, if they can't find humor it thing like this, then they should find some other way to spend there time. I like friends that don't get there feeling hurt while playing games, I don't need one that crys becouse they did something dumb. Learn from it and move on.

Look at the second line of what I said. In a friendly game I would say, "You know I have enough infiltrators to fully line your game board edge and prevent you from coming on, right?" and ask if he wanted to redeploy.

In a tournament I would say, "You haven't seen that White Scars vs. Tau picture, have you?" as I line his board edge with my infiltrators. Shake his hand, and call it a good game.

Don't play semantics.

DeathReaper wrote:If we sit down to play a game of 40k, one can reasonably expect a full game of 40k to be played. (at least a few turns)

Deploying with such a move robs everyone involved of a good game.

That would all come down then to just where you want to draw the line.

I watched an IG-playing friend play a Dark Eldar player back in 4th edition. The DE player left his entire army in Reserve, save for his Lord mounted on a Skyboard with a WWP.

Guard got first turn. One battlecannon shot later the Lord was dead, and his army subsequently destroyed as they no longer had a portal to enter the battle.


Should the Guard player have not fired at the Lord for that first turn, in order to be 'honourable'? After all, the DE player certainly didn't get a game out of it.

As it was, we all had a good laugh about it, and they started over... with the DE player deploying a few more units on the table. He learnt from the experience... sometimes, the strategy that looks good on paper, or that works like a charm against certain opponents, just isn't the best strategy to use.

I would be surprised if this strategy worked it sounds like it would maybe work once

insaniak wrote:I watched an IG-playing friend play a Dark Eldar player back in 4th edition. The DE player left his entire army in Reserve, save for his Lord mounted on a Skyboard with a WWP.

Guard got first turn. One battlecannon shot later the Lord was dead, and his army subsequently destroyed as they no longer had a portal to enter the battle.

Should the Guard player have not fired at the Lord for that first turn, in order to be 'honourable'? After all, the DE player certainly didn't get a game out of it.

If you do something incredibly stupid that hands the game to your opponent there is absolutely no obligation on him not to take advantage of it.

Azzedar101 wrote:I would be surprised if this strategy worked it sounds like it would maybe work once

The best use I've gotten out of it is when playing spearhead deployment against a Nid army with lots of outflanking units. Real easy to completely block one edge and kill off several units of Outflanking stealers when they are forced to try and come in on that edge. But I suppose Reaper is going to call me shady now cause I would do such a thing. Especially when it would be so easy for my opponent to prevent it, just like it's so easy to prevent your back edge from being blocked. But I can live with it, as he's not my moral compass.