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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:19:43
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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I find it odd that when asked about bonuses in government bailed out companies were on the table, "It isn't fair to cut their benefits, they may go elsewhere, we need these sweeteners exc....". I also find it odd how billions to trillions can be wasted on continued tax cuts for the wealthy, while hard working police, firemen, and teachers are laid off. They say "We all have to pitch in" but only the poor who are set up to lose things like heating help in wintertime, the elderly who may have their SS taxed, and teachers who have to deal with American teenagers. Looks like everybody is pitching in except for the greedy banks that started this mess, and the very well to do who say "it's not fair to reset my taxes".
Is it fair to fire people in the name of creating jobs? It's madness. Won't they just get on unemployment, and go into foreclosure? It's easy to hate on teachers because nobody likes them, I'd love to see people try to teach their own emo, hood rat, gothy, drug addled kids for a year.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:21:18
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Eldanar wrote:
Be careful about your terminaology..."merit" is union code for "seniority." (The only reason I know this is because I have to deal with public service union reps on a daily basis.) Rather, use ability, drive, aptitude, etc.
Wow, I didn't know that. I don't usually deal with union reps. In special education you are pretty much on your own. So they are totally misusing the word merit? Wow, just wow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:22:33
Subject: Re:UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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I have to say, I agree with you alot on your comment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:29:55
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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sexiest_hero wrote:Looks like everybody is pitching in except for the greedy banks that started this mess, and the very well to do who say "it's not fair to reset my taxes".
Except for the fact that many of those "well to do" have suffered significant losses of capital due to the stock market drop. Those who have high incomes have seen them drop significantly, and banks are losing billions (maybe trillions?) from foreclosures and loss of value in houses. When home prices drop, wealth isn't being transferred, it's actually destroyed. The banks essentially paid for those houses (loans to homeowners) at inflated rates and now have an asset that is worth less.
Of course, you don't see it, because you're never going to see multi-millionaires lining up at soup kitchens or complaining about their losses. Economic recessions hurt the poor the worst, the middle class only slightly (have to drive a 5-year old car instead of a new one) and the upper class hardly at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:31:12
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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The Hammer of Witches
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Frazzled wrote:Hah hah hathis is what happens when you abandon your posts Democrats. In the words of the immortal bard: "HAH HAH!" Automatically Appended Next Post: sebster wrote:To quote Matt Forbeck, "Nothing like passing bills within minutes, without any discussion, as a surprise, in the dark of night, to legitimize your politics." Thats what happens when you abandon your constituents and run across state lines. 
So Frazz, you trolling, or are you just being dumb? The democrats left because that prevented the shitpile of a bill from being passed as a budget item legally, so the republicans finally stripped it as a budget item and passed it separately so it didn't need the quorum, which they still managed to feth up and do so illegally, by rushing the vote instead of allowing the mandatory waiting period. And just because this is too cute to let slip by, yeah, no, we swear, it was all about the budget. Honest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:34:37
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Which was also poor form, and a very bad way to legitimise opposition to the bill. But they're the minority, it's not their job to ensure the political process produces legitimate results.
Just like it wasn't the job of the congressional Republicans to ensure the process during the previous congress, and why they abused procedural laws to deny a vote on an issue that had majority support in both houses.
Oh, except you were okay with that. Which is odd, because it almost looks like your opinion switches based on whether Democrats or Republicans are responsible. That couldn't be true, no, that'd just make you a footsoldier blindly following an elephant instead of a donkey...
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:36:40
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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The point being, Banks caused this mess, hence the bail out, so while they may have suffered, they had government backing and STILL paid out big unfair bonuses. Putting money in the stock market is a gamble, if they lost everything by gambling it's their fault. if only there was some place to keep your money that was insured against lost by the government...
"Economic recessions hurt the poor the worst, the middle class only slightly (have to drive a 5-year old car instead of a new one) and the upper class hardly at all."
So maybe Our policies shouldn't target the poor and middle class.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:40:35
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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Keep in mind that while union definitions of merit can often (but not always) be reduced to "seniority," elected official's definitionss of ability can often (but not always) be reduced to "nepotism."
Here in Ohio they're privatizing government functions, cutting staff, announcing furloughs, and increasing the number and pay of political appointments.
It is, as has been pointed out, simply power politics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:41:50
Subject: Re:UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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you know... i wounder how different this whole deal would have turned out if it were the demorcrats wanting to ramrod something that the people dident want, and it was the republicans that ran away...
think the media coverage would have been in the slightest bit positive?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:42:57
Subject: Re:UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Envy89 wrote:you know... i wounder how different this whole deal would have turned out if it were the demorcrats wanting to ramrod something that the people dident want, and it was the republicans that ran away...
think the media coverage would have been in the slightest bit positive?
More than likely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:49:04
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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It's one thing to ramrod something. It's they way the system works. It's another to target the destruction of a group of people. The health care law wasn't started to destroy any republican stronghold. This law does just that. And if you think the media didn't jump on the This bill kills grand ma bandwagon, i guess you don't think Fox or Rush count as media.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:49:27
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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biccat wrote:sexiest_hero wrote:Looks like everybody is pitching in except for the greedy banks that started this mess, and the very well to do who say "it's not fair to reset my taxes".
Except for the fact that many of those "well to do" have suffered significant losses of capital due to the stock market drop. Those who have high incomes have seen them drop significantly, and banks are losing billions (maybe trillions?) from foreclosures and loss of value in houses. When home prices drop, wealth isn't being transferred, it's actually destroyed. The banks essentially paid for those houses (loans to homeowners) at inflated rates and now have an asset that is worth less.
Of course, you don't see it, because you're never going to see multi-millionaires lining up at soup kitchens or complaining about their losses. Economic recessions hurt the poor the worst, the middle class only slightly (have to drive a 5-year old car instead of a new one) and the upper class hardly at all.
A weep tears for them....not.
This will rock your world but I'm ok with a 40% tax on those making US$250,000 or more. I'm ok with a 50% tax rate on income over US$500,000 (or income from dividends or other cash flows). Further I'm on side with cutting all deductions except charitable decustions. Even further I'm all for elimination of personal corps. Wealthy individuals run their personal expenses through the corp structure and then pay deminimus taxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:49:29
Subject: Re:UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:50:26
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Bookwrack wrote:Frazzled wrote:Hah hah hathis is what happens when you abandon your posts Democrats.
In the words of the immortal bard: "HAH HAH!"
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sebster wrote:To quote Matt Forbeck, "Nothing like passing bills within minutes, without any discussion, as a surprise, in the dark of night, to legitimize your politics."
Thats what happens when you abandon your constituents and run across state lines.

So Frazz, you trolling, or are you just being dumb? The democrats left because that prevented the shitpile of a bill from being passed as a budget item legally, so the republicans finally stripped it as a budget item and passed it separately so it didn't need the quorum, which they still managed to feth up and do so illegally, by rushing the vote instead of allowing the mandatory waiting period.
And just because this is too cute to let slip by, yeah, no, we swear, it was all about the budget. Honest.
No its called the democratic process. Evidently you're not familiar with it. When you're a legislator, you've been elected to, you know, vote on things...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:53:44
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Agreed 100% Frazz on the tax issue. Now run for office, and get ran out of town for being a Left leaning Commie.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 14:57:45
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Frazzled wrote:No its called the democratic process. Evidently you're not familiar with it. When you're a legislator, you've been elected to, you know, vote on things...
You are aware that if they'd stayed to vote that they would have been outvoted and it would have gone through anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:00:25
Subject: Re:UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I did too. As I typed those three words, I was chuckling the whole time. Thanks for asking!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:03:56
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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sebster wrote:
Which was also poor form, and a very bad way to legitimise opposition to the bill. But they're the minority, it's not their job to ensure the political process produces legitimate results.
Yes, it is. They are legislators and represent all the people of their district. They have a duty to insure the representatively democratic system remains in place (and thats all sides of the aisle). What you're describing is Balkanism and in no way the concept of "the loyal opposition." Automatically Appended Next Post: WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Frazzled wrote:No its called the democratic process. Evidently you're not familiar with it. When you're a legislator, you've been elected to, you know, vote on things...
You are aware that if they'd stayed to vote that they would have been outvoted and it would have gone through anyway.
Wow, like yea, thats how that election/democratic process thing works. Were you asleep in class or something?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:06:37
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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sexiest_hero wrote:Looks like everybody is pitching in except for the greedy banks that started this mess, and the very well to do who say "it's not fair to reset my taxes".
Bank is an incredibly broad term covering many institutions that had nothing to do with the fiscal meltdown. Nor does it cover the mortgage broker business at all or irresponsible parties Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
The committee can be called in as little as 2hrs if there is cause. Teachers are the largest portion of WI public unions but it also covers other state union employees like say the nurses and doctors at the state mental health facilities.
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Poor orks... Why can't they be the good guys for once?
All they've ever really wanted is whatever you have...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:09:32
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Frazzled wrote:Yes, it is. They are legislators and represent all the people of their district. They have a duty to insure the representatively democratic system remains in place (and thats all sides of the aisle). What you're describing is Balkanism and in no way the concept of "the loyal opposition."
Oh, so dueing that whole HCR debacle you were opposed to the congressional Republicans abusing procedural rules to deny a vote. You probably should have mentioned it at the time, it would help us take you a little more seriously now.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:12:09
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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This reminds me of Texas legislature, which does its best to make sure that Democrats don't take any more seats by drawing ridiculous lines on maps so that "democratic" areas are bundled into fewer representative zones and maximizing the amount of zones that repugs get.
You know, politics as usual, IE republicans not giving a gak about democracy or the future of their nation and state, they don't care about their people, just about staying in power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:16:17
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna
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Frazzled wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Frazzled wrote:No its called the democratic process. Evidently you're not familiar with it. When you're a legislator, you've been elected to, you know, vote on things...
You are aware that if they'd stayed to vote that they would have been outvoted and it would have gone through anyway.
Wow, like yea, thats how that election/democratic process thing works. Were you asleep in class or something?
So what's the point of staying to vote? In doing so they feth the unions, whereas by not doing so they can get this result.
Which is still the unions being fethed, but now they can capitalise on it more effectively come the next elections.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:18:23
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sexiest_hero wrote:The point being, Banks caused this mess, hence the bail out, so while they may have suffered, they had government backing and STILL paid out big unfair bonuses.
Unfair? Unfair is taking my hard earned money and giving it to people who have done nothing to earn it but exist.
And yes, I agree that the bailout was wrong. But the recession wasn't caused solely by banks, it was caused by a combination of banks and politicians trying to dictate economic decisions. Banks merely took advantage of the government meddling in the system and created a system that artificially inflated home values. It's not the bank's fault for taking advantage of the system, it's the government's fault for creating a system that was so easily taken advantage of.
sexiest_hero wrote:Putting money in the stock market is a gamble, if they lost everything by gambling it's their fault. if only there was some place to keep your money that was insured against lost by the government...
There is, and the wealthy don't just put money in the stock market. They also buy gold, oil futures, municipal bonds, and the really ballsy ones invest in foreign currencies, set them up for a crash, and then bail out and short-sell their currency to make billions.
I assume you feel the same way about the middle class and retirement pensions losing a lot of their money in the stock market.
sexiest_hero wrote:"Economic recessions hurt the poor the worst, the middle class only slightly (have to drive a 5-year old car instead of a new one) and the upper class hardly at all."
So maybe Our policies shouldn't target the poor and middle class.
I agree. Although probably not in the same way you're thinking.
Frazzled wrote:A weep tears for them....not.
This will rock your world but I'm ok with a 40% tax on those making US$250,000 or more. I'm ok with a 50% tax rate on income over US$500,000 (or income from dividends or other cash flows). Further I'm on side with cutting all deductions except charitable decustions. Even further I'm all for elimination of personal corps. Wealthy individuals run their personal expenses through the corp structure and then pay deminimus taxes.
I was merely pointing out that the wealthy did "suffer." Just not as much as some would want them to, because they're uh...successful and run businesses that employ lots of people.
I would support some tax measures against the 'wealthy' - like raising the social security deduction limit and means testing for welfare Social Security and Medicare (I think that's the retirement health plan, always get confused with Medicaid). But I don't think progressive taxation is the best way to go about it. Such a tax structure only encourages tax dodging. And the more intricate you make the tax code to avoid tax dodging, the more intricate schemes are going to be set up to dodge taxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:22:49
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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sebster wrote:Frazzled wrote:Yes, it is. They are legislators and represent all the people of their district. They have a duty to insure the representatively democratic system remains in place (and thats all sides of the aisle). What you're describing is Balkanism and in no way the concept of "the loyal opposition."
Oh, so dueing that whole HCR debacle you were opposed to the congressional Republicans abusing procedural rules to deny a vote. You probably should have mentioned it at the time, it would help us take you a little more seriously now.
I have no problem with playing procedure games. Leaving the state is not a procedural rule. I'm surprised you don't get that incredibly basic difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:24:53
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biccat wrote:But the recession wasn't caused solely by banks, it was caused by a combination of banks and politicians trying to dictate economic decisions.
Stop trying to paint it as if regulation was at fault, when it was lack of it that caused this...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:28:22
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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"I assume you feel the same way about the middle class and retirement pensions losing a lot of their money in the stock market."
Yes.
I use banks in the broad sense of the term. I also blame people who "Flipped" houses to make a profit. My mom and sister did it for years.
0It's not the bank's fault for taking advantage of the system, it's the government's fault for creating a system that was so easily taken advantage of."
It is their fault. If only there was a way to REGULATE the system... oh well we'll just have to hope they do the right thing and not spend billions looking for loop holes.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:28:38
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Frazzled wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Frazzled wrote:No its called the democratic process. Evidently you're not familiar with it. When you're a legislator, you've been elected to, you know, vote on things...
You are aware that if they'd stayed to vote that they would have been outvoted and it would have gone through anyway.
Wow, like yea, thats how that election/democratic process thing works. Were you asleep in class or something?
So what's the point of staying to vote? In doing so they feth the unions, whereas by not doing so they can get this result.
Which is still the unions being fethed, but now they can capitalise on it more effectively come the next elections.
DEM-O-CRACY
If you don't want to do your job you should quit. Automatically Appended Next Post: Can we argue about the causes of the Great Recession in another thread? Seriously.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:34:36
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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I am torn over this. I know the Dems heart was in the right place, but you know if they had campaigned worth a damn and got Obama (insert spineless quip here) to actually campaign Bush style for them, they wouldn't be in this mess. They fault lays on the heads of the Wisconsin Voters, whom gave union support to the republicans. Same here in Ohio.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:36:40
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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So when a ton of teachers quit out of protest, I can already hear the "news" spinning it as the teachers walking out on all those poor, innocent children who had nothing to do with this debacle.
Clearly, teachers of Wisconsin need to stay and be gakked all over by their local government, and demonized by its members (and some citizens).
The idiocracy will start in Wisconsin, apparently.
Heh, why would anyone even WANT to be a teacher in this country anymore, I don't even get it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:42:16
Subject: UNION BUSTING bill passed (ILLEGALLY!) with out democrats in WIS
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Some people actually care.
This despite what certain trolls on the forum want to claim.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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