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Thanks wuestenfux. Naw, I rarely ever use stones on serpents, only reason I had one in 1850 was to fill up points.

As far as the original poster goes... I won't feed the troll because you are ether delusional or have never played a large competitive tourney before. I'll figure that anymore advice given is pointless and ignored.

Responding to most of the above.

Im not sure why this thread has turned into a Bluedagger list vs Mine. In all honesty Eldar vs Eldar match ups are very RARE (atleast where I come from) so my list isnt geared for eldar at all. If hypothetically Bluedaggers list fought mine, I think it would be a fairly un eventful game with neither of us being able to destroy more than half of the others wave serpents. Each of us would take losses, but at the end of the game I would predict that each of us would have 60%+ of our forces left. This is due mostly in part to eldar players gearing to destroy rhino's with everything but our fire dragons, which have no effect on Wave Serpents.

As far as the debate , Its mainly centered around my choice of 1) Storm Guardians, and 2) Wraithlords. I have played this list with atleast 15 Variants, and the list I have now is what Ive come to think as the most stable and offensive.

Ive played with 3 DAVU squads, I have also played with 3 Fire Prisms, I have also played with Jetbikes.

What I did not playtest was guided Falcons/Guided Fire Prisms. I also did not play test Holo Fields. Ive played with holo fields in other point brackets and they disappoint me greatly.

I believ my list is solid, and compared to BlueDagger's lists my List has clear advantages and disadvantages. I have more Anti Mech with another Wave serpent and Fire dragon squad and 3 wraithlords with EML's. I defanantly have more Anti-Rhino and in texas the magority of players I play against have 8+ rhino's.

I dont think my list is Better/Worse than Blue Dagger's. He obviously has a more defensive play style than I do. I like the fact that my infantry can actually cause major damage with flamers and even close combat with doom support. I also like wielding 3 wraithlords.

Ill say it again, but Ive used fire prisms(not guided) and I just think they are pretty meh. They die to lascannons so easily, and Im sure holo fields help , but even when I get them behind cover Ive lost my Fire Prisms very early against experienced players. I also find that fire prisms are very poor against anti mech, but decently better against infantry. With my list I dont need anti infantry, I need a strong anti mech that I was lacking with fire prisms.

Jetbikes are cool , I personally own 50 of the GW models and am working on an entire Jetbike list. Jetbikes are cool , but I dont think they are combat effective as they should be at 25 or whatever points per model. They are great at taking objectives, but for actually working towards the synergy of the army , they lack.

Over the next week (for sure before I go to GT's this summer) Ill try squads of 3 jetbikes/ Guided Fire Prisms/ A nightspinner. I have the models built and painted.

this Tuesday I will probably try blue daggeres 1850 point list. Im not sure I will be able to play it as effectively becauase it requires you to STAY BACK until the last turn. I can stay back , but I dont like dancing around the board to that extent.

Personally I like the way I percieve my units to synergize. I have many targets for target saturation. I personally like what Wraithlords bring to a list. People usually freak out about them and focus on them, which is fine. I get infantry out of their tanks, and I get my fire dragons to where they need to go untouched. I also like how Storm Guardians work with doom support. Their damage is insane, and their ability to tear down a flank I personally enjoy.

Ill try Bluedaggers list and Ill see if it works for me, If it doesnt meh. Id appreciate if BlueDagger would try mine for one game (even if he has to proxy). Id Also appreciate if bluedagger could post specifics on what units support eachother/How defensively he plays (because I would assume its very defensive) and which unit gets which psyschic power.

If your commenting on my list, Be specific. Saying you dont like wraithlords doesnt help. Tell me exactly what unit to take out, and tell me what unit to add with each and make the point values work , If you dont do this Im not able to see the trade off your intending.


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BlueDagger wrote:Thanks wuestenfux. Naw, I rarely ever use stones on serpents, only reason I had one in 1850 was to fill up points.

As far as the original poster goes... I won't feed the troll because you are ether delusional or have never played a large competitive tourney before. I'll figure that anymore advice given is pointless and ignored.

Do you even acknowlage the flaws in your 1850 list. The Anti Infantry lies soley on your Heavy support, while your anti mech is moderate at best. You have speed on your side with a VERY fast list. My only problem with your list, is that I dont see it killing infantry effectively (especially when the nightspinner and or 1 or more fire prisms go down).


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