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nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - incorrect. Units in Combat do not take Morale checks, so while in combat you cannot cause two tests.

Page 40 BGB: "Units that are locked in close combat do not have to take Morale and Pinning tests caused by shooting;"

Page 44 BGB about 25% casualties rule: "Do not count casualties caused by close combat attacks,"

So, we have units that are locked in CC ignoring Morale tests caused by shooting, but not Morale tests caused by anything else. And, they ignore casualties caused by CC attacks.

However, the Bosspole is neither a CC attack nor a shooting attack. So, if the wound from that results in 25% casualties, you still have to take a Morale test.

Yet you resolve CC attacks using the shooting rules. Remember the way the book works - the latter parts refere to the former. So you have to work backwards to find that the only way to cause 25% casualties for a morale check uses the shooting rules to do so...

Grakmar wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - incorrect. Units in Combat do not take Morale checks, so while in combat you cannot cause two tests.

Page 40 BGB: "Units that are locked in close combat do not have to take Morale and Pinning tests caused by shooting;"

Page 44 BGB about 25% casualties rule: "Do not count casualties caused by close combat attacks,"

So, we have units that are locked in CC ignoring Morale tests caused by shooting, but not Morale tests caused by anything else. And, they ignore casualties caused by CC attacks.

However, the Bosspole is neither a CC attack nor a shooting attack. So, if the wound from that results in 25% casualties, you still have to take a Morale test.

Sorry, you needed to read a LITTLE further down on page 44 of the BGB.

"A unit that is locked in close combat does not have to take Morale checks for taking 25% casualties"

What abouts if you have a nob boss pole and a IC boss pole in the same unit?

Master Melta wrote:What abouts if you have a nob boss pole and a IC boss pole in the same unit?

Are you asking if that lets you re-roll a re-roll?

If so, no.

If not, I mis-read.

Still can't reroll a reroll, even if the source of the reroll are different models.

That was it. So a redundant boss pole is no good aside from if one of the two bosses with boss pole gets krumped. Thanks!

Murrdox wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Grakmar - incorrect. Units in Combat do not take Morale checks, so while in combat you cannot cause two tests.

Page 40 BGB: "Units that are locked in close combat do not have to take Morale and Pinning tests caused by shooting;"

Page 44 BGB about 25% casualties rule: "Do not count casualties caused by close combat attacks,"

So, we have units that are locked in CC ignoring Morale tests caused by shooting, but not Morale tests caused by anything else. And, they ignore casualties caused by CC attacks.

However, the Bosspole is neither a CC attack nor a shooting attack. So, if the wound from that results in 25% casualties, you still have to take a Morale test.

Sorry, you needed to read a LITTLE further down on page 44 of the BGB.

"A unit that is locked in close combat does not have to take Morale checks for taking 25% casualties"

You think you're SOOOO smart, don't you? Just because you can read more than 1 paragraph does NOT mean you're a better person than me.


Ok, you got me. I concede my point. Thanks for catching my error!

Grakmar wrote:
You think you're SOOOO smart, don't you? Just because you can read more than 1 paragraph does NOT mean you're a better person than me.


Ok, you got me. I concede my point. Thanks for catching my error!

S'okay I'll buy you a pint of fungus grog!

Yup, that's correct.

Grakmar wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

Grakmar wrote:And, for a somewhat humorous result, sometimes a bosspole use can trigger another bosspole use on a new moral check.

Example:
Your orks are in CC and make been beaten. They took heavy casualties and are reduced to 4 models. You've lost the CC, so you have to make a moral check, which you fail. You activate the bosspole, pass the re-roll, and fail the armor save of your sacrificial ork.

You've now taken 25% casualties, and at the end of the assault phase, have to take another moral check. If you fail this one, you can use the bosspole again and kill another ork.

This is untrue, as you only test once for every unit at the end of any given phase

You only test once for 25% casualties.

But, you can test for combat resolution for loosing the assault, and that test can trigger a 25% casualties test at the end of the phase.

Dude you need to check your BRB for psychology tests!! You dont take a test for 25% casualties at the end of the assault phase! You take a morale test in the shooting phase for 25% casualties and then you take a Ld test if you loose combat to see if you stay or run, if you run then its an initiative test to see if you get caught and if you dont then you run away, so why would you then have to test at the end of the assault phase for casualtied when you have already tested for casualties??

As to the OP I am afraid that this is 1 of those rules where you need to play it as interpreted and it is interpreted (because of the BRB) that you are re-rolling and thus can only take 1 re-roll. There are many occasions like this, for example, my other army is necrons and the destroyer entry states that the destroyer chassis may always move and fire. This technically means that the destroyers can move 24" and then shoot 36". This would make them the most effective shooting unit in the game. But the BRB says that a unit can move 12" and shoot or turbo and forgo shooting! Now I could play either way but I wold soon get kicked out of clubs and stores if I was playing that they could go 24" and still shoot. The rule is out dated for the current edition and thus may be interpreted in the manner of the game, which is that you ar re-rolling a dice and you can only do this once!

destroyerlord wrote:Dude you need to check your BRB for psychology tests!! You dont take a test for 25% casualties at the end of the assault phase! You take a morale test in the shooting phase for 25% casualties and then you take a Ld test if you loose combat to see if you stay or run, if you run then its an initiative test to see if you get caught and if you dont then you run away, so why would you then have to test at the end of the assault phase for casualtied when you have already tested for casualties??

As to the OP I am afraid that this is 1 of those rules where you need to play it as interpreted and it is interpreted (because of the BRB) that you are re-rolling and thus can only take 1 re-roll. There are many occasions like this, for example, my other army is necrons and the destroyer entry states that the destroyer chassis may always move and fire. This technically means that the destroyers can move 24" and then shoot 36". This would make them the most effective shooting unit in the game. But the BRB says that a unit can move 12" and shoot or turbo and forgo shooting! Now I could play either way but I wold soon get kicked out of clubs and stores if I was playing that they could go 24" and still shoot. The rule is out dated for the current edition and thus may be interpreted in the manner of the game, which is that you ar re-rolling a dice and you can only do this once!

Dude, you should check your BRB pg. 44. You must check for 25% casualties at the end of all phases, including moving and assault. However, casualties from close combat attacks do not count towards those 25% and models locked in combat don't do the check. However, if a unit not locked in combat lost 25% models due to explosions, wrecking balls, flechette launcers or other upgrades, they would have to take the 25% check and potentially fall back.

The boss pole may only reroll once. This has nothing at all to do with interpretation, that's rules as written. Same for destroyers - while they may shoot their heavy weapons after moving(basically being relentless, like all jetbikes), turbo-boosting explicitly forbids any shooting. So, no 24" moves and shooting, both by RAW and RAI.


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