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mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:

Breotan wrote:In the end, it's your stuff so you do what you want.

I get the impression that you came up with something you thought was really cool and wanted to share with the community. Fine. Expecting praise for work that's arguably worse than the norm probably wasn't the most realistic thing in the world. Sending PM's to people who post criticism in your thread is just silly and won't win you many friends.

On the P&M forums we criticize stuff. It's why most people post here. Serious hobbiests want the flaws in their work pointed out so they can make corrections and end up with the project being better when done. If this isn't what you want, you'd should probably reconsider making P&M threads.

First the Grey Knight does work will Daeomic Weapons, they also use Daemon Host, which are Alpha Psyker that Daemon has taking over. Now if I PM someone because of thier Stupid comment is up to me and the adult way of handling instead of posted it on this site. Serious hobbiest comments I dont mind, but when you put something stupid like add some acetone, your going to get a PM say WTF your problem. It still a WIP, I'm planning to do more work on it.


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wileythenord wrote:Be careful criticizing, or else the poster will send you a scathing PM, I'm not sure what kind of comments he wants if he isn't looking for the truth.

How on earth does putting a soul grinder on top of a trygon tail with random mechanical dreadnought arms sticking out of random places sound like a dreadknight?

Maybe my acetone comment was too harsh, but I stick by it, starting all over wouldn't be a bad idea at this point. Maybe you could even explain what the rest of your grey knight army is. Are you taking daemon torsos and mounting it on raveners for your terminators? Gargoyles and Horrors as your Interceptors? Harradan and Greater daemon as your Thunderhawk? Maybe if we knew your intentions for the rest of your army, this lackluster conversion would make more sense? I doubt it, but you could try.

What I want are SEROIUS HOBBYIST ADULT COMMENTS, NOT ONE LINE PUNCH. Grow up

The main issue is: your post here was not composed of adult comments. PM'ing another user WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM over a comment on a forum post is also not the "adult way to handle things". I think this thread has rapidly devolved into being pretty OT and combative, and unless everyone can take a deep breath...might just be better off left to die.

Also, GK's do not use daemonhosts. Inquisitors (radical ones at that) use daemonhosts. GK's do not. GK's are called in by Inquisitors as their own contingent, you wouldn't ever see GK's arrived with a pack of daemoninfested machinery in tow, and if you wanted to stay to the fluff, they wouldn't work with an inquisitor that did. Unless you consider purging him working with him.

targetawg wrote:
Also, GK's do not use daemonhosts. Inquisitors (radical ones at that) use daemonhosts. GK's do not. GK's are called in by Inquisitors as their own contingent, you wouldn't ever see GK's arrived with a pack of daemoninfested machinery in tow, and if you wanted to stay to the fluff, they wouldn't work with an inquisitor that did. Unless you consider purging him working with him.

This.

In the 3rd ed rulebook, if you had daemonhosts in your army, you couldnt take GKs, becuase they refuse to work with an inquisitor who worked with daemons

This conversion not only doesn't make much sense, but it is way too big! Uness you intend on being able to hide your stormraven behind it, this is totally unnecessary.

While I dont know what he sent all of the other posters in the PMs, I do think some of the critics were a little hard on his initial idea. It's a WIP for sure, but I actually like it. Hell if Coteaz can legally lead an entire army of Daemon Hosts, I dont see why GKs cant have a bound Alpha Psyker. It makes a hell of alot more sense than that Babybag Power Loader we got, especially if the OP made an actual GK ride on top of the Psyker (harkens back to the images of Knights riding on Dragons, Dragons are traditionally the enemies of Knights and are usually the antagonists, but we're getting Dragon Knights left and right now). Plus, it could also work as an alternative to a Dreadknight in an Inquisitorial army (a particularly large Daemonhost).

SRM does have a point in that the styles dont mesh. You could get away with it by saying that it's a Daemonhost (which should have a twisty, awkward look to it) but you'll have to do something to blend the styles a little bit. I also think it's quite a bit too tall for a Dreadknight, maybe consider cutting it at the waist so that the Soulgrinder's stomach is lowered down to the floor (and covering the boney bits on the upper part of the Trygon tail) and have the tail come out from the flesh, like it's some sort of boney tentacle?

Well in the New Codex it does matter if you are running with a Daemon host with Greay Knight.......that right Crowe is running around with a Daemonweapon.

To everyone else, I only sent one and only one PM, to "his or her or its" stupid comment. it was polite way of communiation on the thread without post it to the Fing Public. Ya'lls have a nice day now

And Coteaz, who was suppose to be the most puritan of Inquisitors, can lead a whole army of Daemonhosts.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:And Coteaz, who was suppose to be the most puritan of Inquisitors, can lead a whole army of Daemonhosts.

Please, all you're doing is encouraging him. Unless you too want to see the whimsy that comes from this thread.

Also, try putting a couple of twin-linked Battlewagons on it's back. That would really make it pop!

Once again we have trolls in this thread with their enability to display any sort of constructive criticism.

I'm looking for serious construcitve criticism, not criticism like my one year son can do better, or add some battlewaggon on his back.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:Once again we have trolls in this thread with their enability to display any sort of constructive criticism.

I'm looking for serious construcitve criticism, not criticism like my one year son can do better, or add some battlewaggon on his back.

You'll probably not view this as "constructive" as it is being negative towards your work....

But seriously, converting is a science; and like in all sciences a complete and utter failure is still a result. This is what we have here, although IN CONCEPT the idea may have some merit (certainly as a counts as DK in a Coteaz Henchman army, but not in a GK one) is truly needs to go back to the drawing board. It is a mess, it does look like I said earlier, you've dropped a tub of superglue in your bits box and this is what came out.

If you going the "bound alpha level psyker" route look at models like Churebael from the =][= range or the Penitent Engine pilots. Not this.... thing that is more in concept visually with a Chaos Spawn and not what you're going for.

this is my problem everyone believes that a model should be scale to this or that, but likeyou stated its a science or whatever. It about being what you believe that the model should be and looks. When i heard about the DreadKnight before there was a picture, I though it had something to do with a Alpha Psyker and Daemon trapped together.....like a Soulgrinder. Plus i know that it states that the DreadKnight is supposed to take on a Great Deamon.....The Model that GW is releasing is no where the size of a Great Deamon.

This has gone WAY off-topic. Keep it polite (everyone!). The Painting and Modeling forum has a higher standard; stick to it.

And Coteaz, who was suppose to be the most puritan of Inquisitors, can lead a whole army of Daemonhosts.

Like rules and fluff dont mix, rules and themed armies dont mix either.
I can run the chapter master of the ultra marines, leading units of salamanders the khan joining them.

However, its missed its mark.


With the new books, characters are not for a single army.
They can be, but they can also be used to represent your own or other characters in a different chapters army.
So, who is to say that it is corteaz leading them and not a rogue using his rule set for a daemonic army?

GW has its own ways of fething with peoples minds.





Ive commented once on the previous page, so ill stick with that for now.
Ill wait for some updates again to see how its comming along.
I think however its a case of bulking up the joining section mainly.

Grimtuff wrote:Please, all you're doing is encouraging him.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious

I think quite a number of people on the first page gave some actual constructive criticism rather than flat out denouce his idea (they pointed out the flaws and shortcomings, but produced some alternative suggestions to it). Personally, if I dislike an idea, I'd make my point without insults. If the guy is really dead set on it, I may make a passing mention on how others will have a problem with it, then leave it be. It's the guy's model after all. Any more and it'd be kicking a downed dog (which is a type of trolling in my books). I will offer alternative modeling ideas, however, if I can.

Speaking of which, I think a GK riding on top of it would solve much of the complaints here. I distinctly remember another poster mentioning how GKs are suppose to be this "small, mortal knight against an near-immortal daemonic beast of gigantic proportions", not riding in on a gundam to bully small beasts. Now if he was riding on a bound daemonhost, showing his dominance over two great threats against humanity (an unchecked Alpha Psyker and a bound Greater Daemon) it'd really show his dominance over the warp. Granted it's not very fluffy (given how Crowe is mentioned to be the only one able to taim a Daemon weapon) but it fits the idea of GKs.

@ Jackal: but I can field the actual Coteaz leading a full army of Daemonhost. It's the same case with Khornate Havocs. Maybe GW will finally listen and actually proofread their fluff once in a while again.

@ Jackal: but I can field the actual Coteaz leading a full army of Daemonhost. It's the same case with Khornate Havocs. Maybe GW will finally listen and actually proofread their fluff once in a while again.

With thier new way of fielding characters you have no proof its the real one though.
Maybe Tzeentch has pulled a few strings along the way?
Proofreading would be nice, but i think we both know it wont happen.

The majority of the posters in this thread should be ashamed of yourselves. Since when was it DAKKA policy to bash and insult someone elses work? Last I checked they hand out temp bans for gak like that. Good job on ganging up on someone with a different idea on how something should be, and further congrats for all being donkey-caves to the OP. I only see a VERY small few that actually gave some constructive criticism.


OP, I think its a good effort, not everyone that plays is a master of sculpting and GS work. Personally, I dont see how it fits in a GK army, but thats because you and I arnt the same so our tastes are different. Its a good start so far, just set half this threads posters on your ignore list and enjoy the rest of DAKKA ya?

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:this is my problem everyone believes that a model should be scale to this or that, but likeyou stated its a science or whatever. It about being what you believe that the model should be and looks. When i heard about the DreadKnight before there was a picture, I though it had something to do with a Alpha Psyker and Daemon trapped together.....like a Soulgrinder. Plus i know that it states that the DreadKnight is supposed to take on a Great Deamon.....The Model that GW is releasing is no where the size of a Great Deamon.

Actually, excluding the forgeworld greater daemons, the Dreadknight model is bigger than any GW greater deamon.

What about the Dreadknight's fluff made you think it had anything to do with a psyker or a daemon? I think you would have better luck putting the daemon prince torso together with the trygon tail kit if this idea is really what you want to go forward with. I think the soul grinder torso is just too broad to look right put on top of the trygon tail.

Have you tried dryfitting a daemon prince with a trygon? Then you could easily use some killa kan arms which would be a better scale for the model. Assuming you go with the mechanical arms approach.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Speaking of which, I think a GK riding on top of it would solve much of the complaints here. I distinctly remember another poster mentioning how GKs are suppose to be this "small, mortal knight against an near-immortal daemonic beast of gigantic proportions", not riding in on a gundam to bully small beasts. Now if he was riding on a bound daemonhost, showing his dominance over two great threats against humanity (an unchecked Alpha Psyker and a bound Greater Daemon) it'd really show his dominance over the warp. Granted it's not very fluffy (given how Crowe is mentioned to be the only one able to taim a Daemon weapon) but it fits the idea of GKs.

I think this has potential, although you may have to try and make the model more hunched over for this to work, otherwise it might look like the Grey Knight is falling off. I think this also is too radical for Grey Knights, but you could have a radical inquisitor riding/controlling it.

Personally I preferred the first pictures, before you added the extra arms, they make the model appear too top heavy in my opinion. Also, as mentioned by others, definitely consider adding some armour plating around the soul grinder/trygon join to a) help mask the join and b) add weight/structure to the lower parts of the model.

Edit: wileythenord's suggestion of using a daemon prince torso would also help scaling/top-heavyness problems.

In regards to the two models not working together I think you can work around this easily by painting/modelling it in such a way that it is obviously Slaaneshi in origin of possession, as that fits with the claws/tail of the trygon parts.

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This thread is too flameworthy to save. On the positive I haven't banned anyone in a while so this may catch me up.
Well after reviewing I think this 2 page thread, pound for pound received the most warnings that I have ever given. I have to repsect that.


One note on the mini itself, while I don't think this works for a DreadKnight, you have an excellent demonprince/defiler/soulgrinder/greater demon for a future chaos list there. If you said that instead of Dreadknight I think people would be truly stoked.