Cover saves?

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**GoDz BuZzSaW**

mercer wrote:Well I told my opponent what the lords of dakka said and he still doesn't buy it and reckons I've explained it wrong . I know I'm right at the end of the day as the Carnifex didn't have no where near 50% cover.

I'll explain it again and my opponents reasoning.

CCS and plasma Vet squad 12" away from a two beast Carnifex unit. Vet squad is behind CCS half inch away from them. CCS kills one Carnifex puts two wounds on the other, Vets fire kills the other.

My opponent claims cover because of true LOS the Vets are that close to the CCS they cannot see through (checked and they can) and he said they would be firing over the CCS which give 50% cover. I said they fire through their own unit, not over as not in a elevated position and the Carnifex isn't 50% cover.

Your opinions changed or still the same? Opponent reckons the Vets should be firing over the CCS as they're too close to fire through but I said he's going too involved with things and it's only a game, the units fire in a straight line not up or down unless in a higher position.

Thanks.

I think the real question is, why do you collect Guardsmen?

**Vladamyr**

Kommissar Kel wrote:Partial agreement to all the above.

You need to get down and look at the models; if you can see more then 50% of the Vehicle/MC through the Models in front of your firing unit then they get no Cover.

Invest in a laser pointer, that way you can literally show the LoF.

**Metallicarule**

I'd say the carnifex would not get the cover save, the rulebooks for 40k and whfb are always saying that rules are to represent certain actions that would happen. Sweeping advance to represent victors chasing down a beaten unit etc. If you look at it from a fluffy viewpoint I can't imagine your CCS would just stand there rigid while a hail of firepower pings past their ears, they would duck down and try and make an easier shot for the unit firing behind them, if that was my carnifex I'd agree to no cover save in that situation.