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Portaljacker wrote:I'm still wondering on most of my questions.

Dez, Leigen_Zero, and streamdragon seem to have responded to your questions regarding upgrading both Skaven and HE from IoB, as well as which OnG options (old battalion vs new battalion vs brigade) you should consider.

Portaljacker wrote:If it's only 8 skeletons that seems like an odd increase, even for GW.

Old TK battalion
32 Skeleton Warriors
3 Chariots
8 Horsemen
$90 US

New TK battalion
40 Skeleton Warriors
3 Chariots
8 Horsemen
$120 US

Edit -- Specified US $ for clarity

Man, it's $20 more here in Canada for the TK battalion, that's bollocks. For the OnG battalion it's $115CDN and $95USD! If I order from Wayland in the UK it's about $72CDN and maybe the Quebec taxes if customs bothers me, still about $40CDN less. Stupid everyone not realizing that for the majority of the last full year the Canadian dollar has been worth more than the US dollar or maybe 10 cents less, yet we still pay way more for everything!


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Also, rant aside, I'm dumb for not noticing I was indirectly answered on the HE and Skaven stuff.

How good is the OK battalion? How many points is it roughly? Are they hard to play with/still good? I know nadda about the armies in fantasy for the most part.


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I tend to wonder how much for the money battalions give you. Like which ones give the most points off the bat, which give you good units and are also a good army.

well IMO it the new TK battalion is extortion so im gunna buy 2 from wayland games (because their selling the battalion for £56 )

Lord Graveline wrote:yea. but now there's a solid 40 skeleton warriors which allows you to do 40 archers or 40 skeleton warriors or 20 of each or however you wanna divide it up.
and yea, theres 3 chariots and 8 skeleton horsemen. I dont think it's too bad a battalion actually

You're right, it's good of them to bump the number of skeletons up to an even 40. I'm just shocked that to get those 8 more skeletons, GW has decided the box is worth $30 more. I suppose there may be more bits inside, but the old box lists many of the same bits as the new one, so it's hard to say. The other side is, I'm curious how useful the horsemen are.

Portaljacker wrote:Man, it's $20 more here in Canada for the TK battalion, that's bollocks. For the OnG battalion it's $115CDN and $95USD! If I order from Wayland in the UK it's about $72CDN and maybe the Quebec taxes if customs bothers me, still about $40CDN less. Stupid everyone not realizing that for the majority of the last full year the Canadian dollar has been worth more than the US dollar or maybe 10 cents less, yet we still pay way more for everything!

Also, rant aside, I'm dumb for not noticing I was indirectly answered on the HE and Skaven stuff.

How good is the OK battalion? How many points is it roughly? Are they hard to play with/still good? I know nadda about the armies in fantasy for the most part.

You realize that a couple people in this thread have commented that the OK battalion box is the best one of them all, including the very first reply. I cant tell if you're trolling or not, asking questions that have already been answered or asking the same question as the subject of the thread. If you want more specific info on OK, might I suggest starting your own thread?

thefallen13 wrote:well IMO it the new TK battalion is extortion so im gunna buy 2 from wayland games (because their selling the battalion for £56 ).

Yeah, I'm thinking after seeing that, people are going to clean stores out of the old boxes...Wayland might not have them for long.

The brettonia box is also pretty sweet tbh.

20 men at arms, 16 archers, a peg knight, and 8 KOTR.

In a balanced bret army you will use every single one of those units.

I was fairly certain that would happen when i found out last week they were adding 8 skeleton to the tomb kings battalion that they'd do something silly like up the price too much.

In the UK it was £52.50, add 8 more skeletons and now its £70

Thats £2.18 per extra skeleton !!! When a box of 16 Skellitons works out at £1.15 per skeleton!

Unless there's some extra upgrades in the box this is a blatent rip off.

Sorry, I have no idea what's wrong with me. Normally I check tue whole thread unless it's many pages long. /facepalm

geoff wrote:

thefallen13 wrote:well IMO it the new TK battalion is extortion so im gunna buy 2 from wayland games (because their selling the battalion for £56 ).

Yeah, I'm thinking after seeing that, people are going to clean stores out of the old boxes...Wayland might not have them for long.

no i mean their selling the new battalions for £56 not the old ones

thefallen13 wrote:

geoff wrote:

thefallen13 wrote:well IMO it the new TK battalion is extortion so im gunna buy 2 from wayland games (because their selling the battalion for £56 ).

Yeah, I'm thinking after seeing that, people are going to clean stores out of the old boxes...Wayland might not have them for long.

no i mean their selling the new battalions for £56 not the old ones

Its still a bit of a hike though, previously they would have been around £40 to £45? Still not worth it for 8 skeletons. And haven't got a reply back from GW asking them to justify the increase, with proof of the costs sent . That or its an error and they will be correcting it ofcourse. Oh wait sarcasm doesn't translate well into the written word

Back on topic I think the WoC batallion and lizardmen batallions give a good amount for their price. The O&G is okay but seriously few more orcs and it's be good.
HE I was thinking of starting, but the damn core put me off and well, the batallion changing to a chariot instead of silverhelms and containing a war machine I won't use puts me off touching that set. My views on the Beastmen one are "is that it? Seriously? Where's the rest????".
Dwarves one looks ok as a starting point, certainly saves some cash and appeals to my visions of massed ranks of melee dwarves foaming drunkenly at the mouth towards whatever spilled their booze...

I think the dwarf battalion is okay.

32 warriors that can have shields hand weapons/greatweapons
16 thunderers/quarrelers
And a cannon/organ gun
Also its not hard to convert 2 of those warriors into a thane and lord.

Here are all the Battalions with magic list separately and all regular upgrade options... There is no conversions of any kind. Special things like Marks are listed separately and the magic is based on the max amount legal (no duplicates)...

Lizardmen 885 +125
Skaven 475 +50
Bretonnia 480 +25 (includes a Pegasus Knight, but you need 3 for a unit)
High Elves 694 +50
Warriors of Chaos 769 +150 (this includes magic banners and Marks)
Ogre 832 +35
Empire 618 +120
Wood Elves 720 +50
Dwarfs 751 +50
Orcs and Goblins 495
Tomb Kings 687 +140
Vampire Count 480 +50
Beastmen 410 +50
Dark Elves 695 +100

^-- Borrowed from Miniwargaming.com

Many of the Battalions are decent deals, mostly on the price-point alone, but they're slowly slipping in quality, IMHO.

TK is a stupid increase for just 8 skeletons, but it's still pretty decent, I suppose. Ogres is, hands down, the best, every model is usable. Beastmen isn't too bad, but meh. I think VC is ok, I mean, even if Ghouls are the best I haven't seen VC without skellies or zombies. The Corpse Cart is meh. The Dark Elf one is nice, but the corsairs/cok are hit/miss as mentioned earlier. The High Elf one got updated, swapping Knights for a Chariot, which is way cool. Wood Elf one is kinda meh, but not bad. WoC Battalion is pretty good, the 20 Marauders is nice. Empire is meh, kinda liked the older one, but it's price is great considering the cost of Goldswords nowadays (grumble) Dwarfs is solid, as are Lizards and Brets. Skaven is also kinda meh, only like 40 clanrats, though you do get 20 Plague Monks.

All in all, buy 'em off discount sites and they're fantastic.

The ogre one is fantastic. You will use literally EVERY model in the box. Hell, if you don't like Leadbelchers (most don't), you can use their bodies with the extra weapons the bull sprue has, you can have more bulls (always a good thing).

Lizardmen one is great for me, I just use CoC bitz for converting characters and stuff. Cold Ones are ugly compare to my DE ones, but I guess if I want to build extra CoC I can use those.

got to go with the TK Battalion

simply due to the stupid cost of the new one, it gives so little value for money now :/

Lax35 wrote:Are there any more opinions on the VC battalion, I'm considering it but I want to make sure it is a smart buy.

IMO the VC battalion is garbage. You will never use Zombies unless you use a raise dead spell or the Army book gets updated (they are cost too much for what they do). Skeletons have limited use (same points cost as Ghpuls without as much bang for the buck) and you will use the corpse cart once in a blue moon. Ghouls are the way to go for our core choice at this point (2 poisoned attacks without any other bonuses). Vampire Counts is a very viable army, it just happens that the 8th edition rules nerfed the units in the battalion boxed set.

again, just my opinion but I would piece the army together without the battalion set.

Scott