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Rough Riders.
I currently use them a lot, combined with blob squads it's quite a fun unit.
Maybe not the best, but it's damn cheap.
For 5 points, you can give the sergeant meltabombs. Incase they survive the first attack, they can annoy some vehicles.
People often don't expect this and leave the vehicle standing.
Autohit, 2d6 AP is quite likely to hurt.
So often they make their points back.

The only downside is their size. If they lose any models BEFORE they charge then they are wasted.
The LD 8 isn't great...

loner wrote:Rough Riders.
I currently use them a lot, combined with blob squads it's quite a fun unit.
Maybe not the best, but it's damn cheap.
For 5 points, you can give them meltabombs. Incase they survive the first attack, they can annoy some vehicles.
People often don't expect this and leave the vehicle standing.
Autohit, 2d6 AP, + 1 on thew damage chart is going to hurt.
So often they make their points back.

The only downside is their size. If they lose any models BEFORE they charge then they are wasted.
The LD 8 isn't great...

Meltabombs aren't AP1, and don't get +1 on the chart.

ElCheezus wrote:

loner wrote:Rough Riders.
I currently use them a lot, combined with blob squads it's quite a fun unit.
Maybe not the best, but it's damn cheap.
For 5 points, you can give them meltabombs. Incase they survive the first attack, they can annoy some vehicles.
People often don't expect this and leave the vehicle standing.
Autohit, 2d6 AP, + 1 on thew damage chart is going to hurt.
So often they make their points back.

The only downside is their size. If they lose any models BEFORE they charge then they are wasted.
The LD 8 isn't great...

Meltabombs aren't AP1, and don't get +1 on the chart.

Also, only the sergeant gets bombs. You make it sound like they all do.

Commisar Von Humps wrote:I use the Valkyrie anyway. I throw my Armor Eliminating Vets in there, load it up with multiple missile pods and heavy bolters for some anti infantry, and a lascannon, just in case. Pricey yes, definetly worth it though since it can move its full speed, and still fire off a lascannon, and 2 large blast templates.

Otherwise id pick any sentinel or banewolves.

That seems like a very odd combination. A single BS3 lascannon isn't fantastic against vehicles and doesn't add much to the pods/bolters in the anti-infantry department. Seems like you would want to go either all anti-infantry with multilaser and pods (forget the bolters so you can always move 12"), or a vendetta with three TL lascannons and possibly heavy bolters since it's moving 6" anyway. Either variant would be better at its chosen task, and cheaper to boot!

ElCheezus wrote:Meltabombs aren't AP1, and don't get +1 on the chart.

You're right!

Trickstick wrote:Also, only the sergeant gets bombs. You make it sound like they all do.

The codex clearly states that only the sergeant can take Meltabombs. I assume that most people here know the IG codex. (Or atleast those in this topic...)
When I talk about Rough Riders with Meltabombs, only the sergeants can take meltabombs.
But, I changed my post to prevent any trouble in the future....

I dont use Vendetta anyway. I use Chimeras becaue they are cheap, and you can fire a mortar from them on the move (or a lascannon)

loner wrote:The codex clearly states that only the sergeant can take Meltabombs. I assume that most people here know the IG codex. (Or atleast those in this topic...)
When I talk about Rough Riders with Meltabombs, only the sergeants can take meltabombs.
But, I changed my post to prevent any trouble in the future....

No worries, you wording just seemed a bit ambiguous.

I find that krak grenades are usually enough against most targets as I don't like spending the 5 pts for what is mostly a 50/50 chance to hit. That is just how I build lists though, strip units down as much as I am comfortable with.

Kaptin Grigger wrote:I dont use Vendetta anyway. I use Chimeras becaue they are cheap, and you can fire a mortar from them on the move (or a lascannon)

If the Chimera moves, then the unit inside is considered to have moved, and you can't fire heavy weapons.

This is a tough one... but since I play a DKoK army I'd have to say that it's the Rough Riders. I'd agree with what's been said, often times folks don't expect them to do anything and ignore them until they get into the open. They are a hit or miss squad, but they are def. cheap, and I5 power weapons is pretty good with the strength bonus. Whatever you do, avoid Mogul as the upgrade... sure Furious Charge sounds good, but rage on a 5+ save unit does not.

Other then that I think the Hellhound from FW is cool, and would consider running a squad of those.

Last Edition, I used Hellhounds so I probably would use at least 1 hell hound with a multimelta. Sentinels outflanking with multi lasers or auto cannons are pretty good shotting side armor 11 and Armored Sentinels to mount auto cannons or plasma cannons and as counter assault to tie up units with no powerfist can be good but none of them are as good as Vendettas.

Sentinels would see use if you could take them with a platoon like you could last edition and they weren't competing with Vendettas for fast attack slots.

The Tauros Venator is the obvious fast attack choice for me. 3 fast TL Multilasers for 150 points is surprisingly deadly.

I think the OP was referring to FA within the bounds of the IG Codex itself.

Although that Tauros thing does sound cool. Linky?

Armored sentinels, in pairs probably. With one or both standing behind chimeras for cover.

Two armor 12 hulls that have a permanent cover save. Their offensive potential drops significantly in comparison to the twin-linkiness of the vendetta, but their survivability absolutely skyrockets.

Additionally you have a new answer to close combat units. If something like wyches, genestealers or bloodcrushers get close you can buy yourself quite a few turns by stepping up and assaulting with them.

Snarky wrote:The Tauros Venator is the obvious fast attack choice for me. 3 fast TL Multilasers for 150 points is surprisingly deadly.

That does sound cool but can't we do something pretty similar just using Scout Sentinels? You could take 4 for 140 points. Thats 12 shots @ BS3 = 6 gaks vs 9 shots @ BS3 reroll = 6.75 hits. Pretty close all things considered (unless the Venator has better armor then AV10).

Plasmasent.

minigun762 wrote:

Snarky wrote:The Tauros Venator is the obvious fast attack choice for me. 3 fast TL Multilasers for 150 points is surprisingly deadly.

That does sound cool but can't we do something pretty similar just using Scout Sentinels? You could take 4 for 140 points. Thats 12 shots @ BS3 = 6 gaks vs 9 shots @ BS3 reroll = 6.75 hits. Pretty close all things considered (unless the Venator has better armor then AV10).

Aha- the Tauros has a few edges over the sentinel. Firstly it's a fast vehicle, it also can ignore all immobilized results on a roll of 4+ and benefits from the scout rule. It's essentially what you would get if you stuck a sentinel on a Land Rover.

I sometimes wonder if it would have been better if the Vendetta was a heavy support model.

People wouldn't bitch about the thing anymore, since it would be competing for space with artillery and hydras. Also, people would use valkyries/hellhounds/sentinels/etc a lot more (all of which are quite decent models), and air cav would be far more viable with 6 individual birds rather than having to cram in squadrons.

That is a pretty interesting point wither. The only worry at that point is that it is adding more to an already bloated heavy support selection and trimming down a reasonable fast attack selection.
I really like how it could give a boost to Air Cav and how some folks might bring more than just the vendetta for fast attacks. At the same time I kinda still wish there was an infantry selection available in the heavy section as well.

Cheers,
~Volkan

As a compromise, make Hydras fast attack.

withershadow wrote:I sometimes wonder if it would have been better if the Vendetta was a heavy support model.

I think they're fine as Fast Attack but I feel that the Vendetta really should have had its transport ability removed/reduced to compensate for the increased firepower and maybe a minor point increase (140-150).

As it is, its just a bit too flexible and powerful for the points.

Either a valkaryie (for the coolness of the model) or the sentinels (for outflanking with lasguns or missile launchers)

Small, Far Away wrote:Either a valkaryie (for the coolness of the model) or the sentinels (for outflanking with lasguns or missile launchers)

Outflanking lasguns on sentinels sounds very scary...

Dawn of War 2 has made me love the Armored Sentinel. Even with the Vendetta being so good, if I made an IG army I would probably have to include Sentinels instead.

loner wrote:

Small, Far Away wrote:Either a valkaryie (for the coolness of the model) or the sentinels (for outflanking with lasguns or missile launchers)

Outflanking lasguns on sentinels sounds very scary...

Lascannons, that is. And at one BS 3 shot for 55 pts, I've always been underwhelmed.

However, if the Sentinels could take a twin-linked hurricane-pattern lasgun. . . there might be something to that. It would be nice to have a high rate of fire anti-infantry weapon. Heavy Flamers require being too close for my taste on AV 10, and Multilasers wounding on 2s is nice, but I want MOAR DICE!

No Vendetta? Probably 3-6 Hellhounds. Those things do good work.


That would require me putting lascannons elsewhere though. I normally run one Hellhound already, so it's just a matter of making my troops more anti-tank themed.