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n0t_u wrote:Pretty much yeh.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Old_Ones
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slann

They survived then just slowly died out themselves. Pretty much nearly all of the information in the second link has been retconned away though.

Actually, no. Nothing about the Slann was ever retconned in any form. GW just left the Slann alone, in the past. As far as anyone today knows, the "Old Ones" can easily still just be the Slann, like they were decades ago.

The slann are part of lizardmen, how the hell did they make it to 40k? I know they've always been there, but how does this work in the fluff?

You know Lizardmen are Aliens right?

Monk1junk1 wrote:The slann are part of lizardmen, how the hell did they make it to 40k? I know they've always been there, but how does this work in the fluff?

Remember, 40k is JUST fantasy translated into space. Every single race in 40k can trace it's roots back to Warhammer Fantasy. Except Tau... They are actually the most unique army/idea in the 40k universe.

Oh yeah, Lizardmen are aliens...

Gene-modified dinosaurs FTW

The Warhammer background even mentions (mentioned? I'm not up on current fantasy fluff) two artifical warp gates built by the old ones at the poles of the Warhammer world.

They exploded , and provided smaller versions of the Eye of Terror at the poles (chaos zones for the baddies and demons to come from). I think the Slaan were mentioned as being the servitors of the Old Ones, not the Old Ones themselves, but that too may have changed, or be misremembered

Monk1junk1 wrote:Well, if they were decimated by the enslavers plague and then decimated AGAIN right after they finished rebuilding

The gap between the Enslaver plague and the fall of the Eldar empire is massive, millions of years apart, the Eldar hadn't 'just' finished rebuilding.

Brother Coa wrote:Why everyone thinks that the Eldar simply survived in a few to again repopulate in billions?

Because they existed before the plague then made a massive empire, so they must have regrew in numbers.

Brother Coa wrote:Enslavers surly fought Necrons as well as everyone else.

Nope, the Enslaver Plague forced the C'tan Star-Gods to withdraw into hibernation, as the Enslavers were killing off all the sentient life that the Star Gods needed for sustenance. The Necron and C'tan are not linked to the warp so the Enslavers wouldn't be able to invade Necron worlds from the warp.

BluntmanDC wrote:
Nope, the Enslaver Plague forced the C'tan Star-Gods to withdraw into hibernation, as the Enslavers were killing off all the sentient life that the Star Gods needed for sustenance. The Necron and C'tan are not linked to the warp so the Enslavers wouldn't be able to invade Necron worlds from the warp.

If that's the case, why didn't they finish sealing the Warp off from the Materium when nothing had a hope of stopping them?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Nope, the Enslaver Plague forced the C'tan Star-Gods to withdraw into hibernation, as the Enslavers were killing off all the sentient life that the Star Gods needed for sustenance. The Necron and C'tan are not linked to the warp so the Enslavers wouldn't be able to invade Necron worlds from the warp.

If that's the case, why didn't they finish sealing the Warp off from the Materium when nothing had a hope of stopping them?

Because the C'tan had no food, so decided to sleep instead of die out, and the necrons wqent to sleep as well

BluntmanDC wrote:
Because the C'tan had no food, so decided to sleep instead of die out, and the necrons wqent to sleep as well

So because there isn't enough food around for the C'tans liking (bearing in mind they don't need to eat living creatures), they decide to go to sleep without taking care of the only things thought to be capable of destroying a C'tan other than other C'tan (and even, other C'tan don't always manage to do it right)? The Void Dragon was driven into hibernation by the Talismans of Vaul, so I doubt the other C'tan were in absolute control. If they were in control and they just left these immensely powerful Warp-based weapons that can harm them around when they could have destroyed them and shut of the Warp entirely makes them idiots. Or maybe they just like the challenge of fighting those who can harm them.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Because the C'tan had no food, so decided to sleep instead of die out, and the necrons wqent to sleep as well

So because there isn't enough food around for the C'tans liking (bearing in mind they don't need to eat living creatures), they decide to go to sleep without taking care of the only things thought to be capable of destroying a C'tan other than other C'tan (and even, other C'tan don't always manage to do it right)? The Void Dragon was driven into hibernation by the Talismans of Vaul, so I doubt the other C'tan were in absolute control. If they were in control and they just left these immensely powerful Warp-based weapons that can harm them around when they could have destroyed them and shut of the Warp entirely makes them idiots. Or maybe they just like the challenge of fighting those who can harm them.

The eat souls, not creatures. This is the point where if you are angry about the fluff you will have to write to GW because they are the ones that fill it with plot holes, inconsistances, errors and really poor quality decision making.

BluntmanDC wrote:
The eat souls, not creatures. This is the point where if you are angry about the fluff you will have to write to GW because they are the ones that fill it with plot holes, inconsistances, errors and really poor quality decision making.

How can they eat something that's of the Warp? They have no control over that. I thought they consumed energy (hence being able to feed on stars), it's just that the energy for living creatures is tastier. I'm not angry, I'm merely disputing that the Necrons had completely dominated the Old Ones and Eldar.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Because the C'tan had no food, so decided to sleep instead of die out, and the necrons wqent to sleep as well

So because there isn't enough food around for the C'tans liking (bearing in mind they don't need to eat living creatures),

His explanation isn't correct.

As the Deceiver (in disguise) explains to an assassin trying to kill him, the C'tan went to sleep because the food was being ruined into not tasting very good.

They went to sleep with the plan that all current life would die out, then be reborn again, but this time without the Old Ones meddling psychic ways. The food would be back to tasting good this way, and also there wouldn't be warp stuff to worry about.

Being completely immortal, they considered this a good plan; they have all the time they need.

Also remember that a lot of the fluff was written after the necron codex, and doesn't quite gel with the original.

Like all 40K fluff it's subject to change at a moment's notice for no ryhme or reason, especially if it can be made to make the IOM look good

DarknessEternal wrote:
They went to sleep with the plan that all current life would die out, then be reborn again, but this time without the Old Ones meddling psychic ways. The food would be back to tasting good this way, and also there wouldn't be warp stuff to worry about.

Being completely immortal, they considered this a good plan; they have all the time they need.

But why not simply destroy the Talismans of Vaul and seal off the Warp first if they had absolute control? Why did they seemingly do it at similar times (surely the Deceiver could've crippled the Nightbringer or at least his forces if the Nightbringer went into stasis first (I think he tried to get other races to destroy the Nightbringers ship, but why not do it himself?))? A little time without feeding on tasty food while they destroyed a few threats to them (or simply leaving some of their servants awake to do it for them) seems like it would make more sense than just leaving the weapons that forced the most powerful of them to back down around.

The Talismen of Vaul could hurt the C'Tan but never killed any. We don't even know how the fight between Vaul and Void Dragon ended. We do know that the Eldar and the Void Dragon are still alive but that's it. We can't even prove that the talisam are even capable of hurting a C'Tan.

Also, the Old Ones were winning the war when the Enslaver plague started (Page 26 Necron codex). But the Necron were going to win in the end. As their great work would happen at some point "It was only a matter of time" (page 26 Necron codex).

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
But why not simply destroy the Talismans of Vaul and seal off the Warp first if they had absolute control?

Why bother?

Their enemies couldn't find them while they were hibernating (based on the fact that they had 60 million years to look, and never found them). And, as soon as one woke up, he destroyed most of the Talismans of Vaul and gave the rest to the Eldar's new arch-enemies without the Eldar even putting up a fight.

They're so far above their foes that they don't have to really care.